Norfolk Depot for N&P

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Hi,

Oh neat, I have some of these on my ho layout.  I did not think to put a
target on it though. This is great, thanks.

I have mixed experience with them, it gives some realistic stuff but I have
two mines that form a secret continuous run.  My NWSL class E's both hit
the thing with their running gear.

David Baker

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023, 12:36 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:

> Abe
>
> Attached is the Sanborn Fire Map for overall Norfolk from 1882 courtesy of
> the Library of Congress, showing the Norfolk depot and area. Most likely,
> this was also the N&P depot, or site for such, based on the descriptions.
> It is a smaller depot, and the location is close to where the later Norfolk
> Union Terminal would be.
>
> Prince’s reference is an N&W Magazine article from August 1923 and quotes
> it almost word-for-word. Which I suspect was mostly taken from old Annual
> Reports. I do not have my N&P or SS Annual reports handy at the moment.
>
> Best
> Ken Miller
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2023, at 10:59 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Mr. Sledge !
>
> But now this hillbilly really be confused !!!, for a lot of reasons:
>
> 1. The name Elizabeth River has been ambiguously applied on mapping over
> the years. What is obviously Newton's Creek is shown as (part of) Elizabeth
> River on today's Google Maps. The more old maps one consults, the worse it
> gets.
>
> 2. US Geological Survey Topo maps for this area only go back to 1902
> (albeit the 1902 ed. is based on surveys made 1888-1889.) The 1902 Topo is
> not of a scale adequate to show the details which would help people with
> our kinds of interest (e.g. creek names and street names.)
>
> 3. The names Bramble's Point, Noe's Bridge, Racefield Bridge and Hardy
> Home are not productive when Internet searched.
>
> 2. It appears to me that Richard Prince's book, Pocahontas Coal Carrier,
> simply quoted some source and Mr. Prince never looked at a map to see if
> the reference was understandable (or accurate.) If he had checked a map, he
> would have seen that the quotation has east/west and north/south backwards,
> with respect to the ways the water courses run !
>
> However, if we take Prince's quotation at face value, and make a big fudge
> factor allowance, the quotation appears to be saying that the Norfolk &
> Petersburg RR had its Norfolk depot somewhere within perhaps a mile east of
> its crossing of the Elizabeth River. Which location is about a mile north
> of Newton's Creek/Newton Creek... good grief. (The Elizabeth River Bridge
> is at coordinates 36.774960, -76.294995. The Newton Creek coordinates are
> 36.7671294, -76.27912194. )  This may put the location of the N&W depot
> about a mile north of Newton Creek and about a mile west of the lower end
> of present Portlock Yard.
>
> To allow others to share in, enjoy and laugh at my utter confusion, I have
> put the 1902 USGS Topo up on Google Drive, and you may get it here:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WF3rVgYk28dn1242g8r50SMZoaPA7KxN/view?usp=sharing
>
> This Roanoke hillbilly is in over his head. This is clearly a job for a
> Norfolk city-slicker. Where is the Estimable Mr. Harry Bundy when we need
> him to draw a nice map for us mountain people ? Earth Calling Mr. Bundy...
> Please meet me at Newton's Creek !
>
> -- abram burnett,
>        lost turnip-head
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