Builder Plate Conundrum - photo

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On 2/27/2022 10:37 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Perhaps I missed it, but can someone attach pictures of the before and 
> after locomotives in question so this  discussion will be easier to 
> follow?
>
> Mike Rector
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 8:17 AM NW Mailing List 
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>     Maybe it is just me, but I don't see any difference in the length
>     of the smokebox. The headlight just gets moved forward. However
>     consider this: N&W seemed to relate shop numbers to boilers rather
>     than running gear. So we could be seeing a reboiler, and the "new"
>     Roanoke Shops plate gives the number for the boiler and the date
>     for the running gear. Makes as much sense as any other idea that
>     has been proposed.
>
>     Jim Nichols
>
>     On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 05:58:39 PM CST, NW Mailing List
>     via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
>     John
>
>     I just do not have all the answers. The photos of the G2 never looked
>     right to me.
>
>     I opened a class F, G and G2 left side photos up on my computer.
>     All the
>     Class G that I looked at did not have a lot of space between the
>     stack
>     and the headlight.  The Class F smoke box the stack was back
>     further and
>     made in 2 sections.  You can see from the G that the round object
>     between the domes of a G was moved up to the space between the
>     stack and
>     the headlight on the G2.
>
>     My first thought was they should have moved the headlight using a
>     bracket to be in front of the smoke box like you would see in the old
>     days of  4-4-0's.  So the reason for the replacement smoke box is a
>     mystery.  The reason for a construction number 47 on a Roanoke shop
>     builders plate with a built date of 1890 and not 12/1887 is a mystery.
>
>     There does not appear to be any drawings of the G2 in our collection.
>     Just don't think the G2 was a product of our locomotive design
>     engineers
>     in motive power.  The shops could have been authorized to convert the
>     256 to a goat to meet their needs.
>
>     What we know for sure is the smoke box on the 256 is not a class G
>     box.
>     The construction number 47 would indicate it was an F smoke box
>     and if
>     correct it was retired July 1916. I might add there were other class
>     2-8-0's locomotive with the long box.
>
>     The original builder plate on the F 169 should be Roanoke Machine
>     works
>     and not N&W.  The N&W plate started in 1900. We have a copy of the
>     deed
>     of Roanoke Machine Works  to N&W in the archives.
>
>     Jim Blackstock
>
>
>     On 2/26/2022 1:05 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>
>     > Jim, I considered a re-boiler or re-smokebox situation. But if they
>     > used the boiler or smokebox off Class F #169 Const. No. 47 why
>     doesn't
>     > the plate's built date read Dec. 1887? On the plate it reads "Built
>     > Dec. 1890". Obscure stuff I know! First time I've ever seen a NW
>     > builder plate who's markings don't match the loco records we all
>     > use.   John Garner
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > John
>     >
>     > It looks like they needed more room between the headlight and the
>     > smoke stack.  They must have used the smoke box off 169 with the
>     > builders plate in tack when the G2 was built.
>     >
>     > Nice find
>     >
>     > Jim Blackstock
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