Builder Plate Conundrum - photo

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Perhaps I missed it, but can someone attach pictures of the before and
after locomotives in question so this  discussion will be easier to follow?

Mike Rector

On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 8:17 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:

> Maybe it is just me, but I don't see any difference in the length of the
> smokebox. The headlight just gets moved forward. However consider this: N&W
> seemed to relate shop numbers to boilers rather than running gear. So we
> could be seeing a reboiler, and the "new" Roanoke Shops plate gives the
> number for the boiler and the date for the running gear. Makes as much
> sense as any other idea that has been proposed.
>
> Jim Nichols
>
> On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 05:58:39 PM CST, NW Mailing List via
> NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> John
>
> I just do not have all the answers.  The photos of the G2 never looked
> right to me.
>
> I opened a class F, G and G2 left side photos up on my computer. All the
> Class G that I looked at did not have a lot of space between the stack
> and the headlight.  The Class F smoke box the stack was back further and
> made in 2 sections.  You can see from the G that the round object
> between the domes of a G was moved up to the space between the stack and
> the headlight on the G2.
>
> My first thought was they should have moved the headlight using a
> bracket to be in front of the smoke box like you would see in the old
> days of  4-4-0's.  So the reason for the replacement smoke box is a
> mystery.  The reason for a construction number 47 on a Roanoke shop
> builders plate with a built date of 1890 and not 12/1887 is a mystery.
>
> There does not appear to be any drawings of the G2 in our collection.
> Just don't think the G2 was a product of our locomotive design engineers
> in motive power.  The shops could have been authorized to convert the
> 256 to a goat to meet their needs.
>
> What we know for sure is the smoke box on the 256 is not a class G box.
> The construction number 47 would indicate it was an F smoke box and if
> correct it was retired July 1916. I might add there were other class
> 2-8-0's locomotive with the long box.
>
> The original builder plate on the F 169 should be Roanoke Machine works
> and not N&W.  The N&W plate started in 1900. We have a copy of the deed
> of Roanoke Machine Works  to N&W in the archives.
>
> Jim Blackstock
>
>
> On 2/26/2022 1:05 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>
> > Jim, I considered a re-boiler or re-smokebox situation. But if they
> > used the boiler or smokebox off Class F #169 Const. No. 47 why doesn't
> > the plate's built date read Dec. 1887? On the plate it reads "Built
> > Dec. 1890". Obscure stuff I know! First time I've ever seen a NW
> > builder plate who's markings don't match the loco records we all
> > use.   John Garner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > It looks like they needed more room between the headlight and the
> > smoke stack.  They must have used the smoke box off 169 with the
> > builders plate in tack when the G2 was built.
> >
> > Nice find
> >
> > Jim Blackstock
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