Accident reports

Sat Jun 20 19:00:54 EDT 2020

 Thank you all for the info on accident reports. I didn't know if the archives had a list of accidents the H&W kept their own records of.
I have recently seen some photos of an accident that looks like a bridge calapse.
The info was it, was around Rarden, Ohio. A steel bridge, with an open top truss truss bridge, to a wooden trestle the solid ground. 
The wooden trestle section is what looks to have fallen down.
Lots of wooden gondola and box cars. In one photo you can make out the boom of a big hook.
The problem is, the terrain through that valley from Mineral Springs to Henley is fairly flat where the tracks are located.
As for now, this is all I can tell, as they are not my photos. The lady that has them has ask a friend of hers who ask me to help with the location, and doesn't want them out yet. I hope to be able to get copies and hopefully be ablt to send a set to the archives.

Jeff Wood

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Jeff:I don't have the answer -- maybe investigators availblehad been assigned to other accidents.? There was anincident at Bridge #5 at Norfolk in October, 1918 (as Irecall) that involved two light engines that plunged intoEastern Branch.? This was never investigated by the ICC.
One other possibility -- the Locomotive Inspection Bureaualso made investigations dealing mostly with mechanicalfailures.? Although their results were published, they didn'tseem to have the circulation that the accident reports had.Can't recall the engine number, but there was a rear - endcollision on the Kenova District where a Class A had aboiler explosion following the collision.? This was investi-gated by the Locomotive Inspection Bureau.? 
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I brought this question up to someone who researched the ICC accident files.  The answer I got is that a lot of the files were thrown out with the closure of the ICC, and what remains is what is available on-line.  One of my theories was that accidents with no fatalities were not in the files, but that proved not to be true.  There are minor accidents as well as horrendous accidents in the files. It is odd that some years are extensive and some years show few accidents, or that some railroads had no accidents.  That makes no sense. 

--Rick Morrison
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  I have seen the accident reports on the ICC site for the N&W. I have seen photos of accidents that are not on the ICC listings. My 2 questions are, why were some listed and some not? Is there a company listing of all the accidents that were on the N&W?

  Jeff Wood

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Rick's note reminded me that when Bob Bowers and I were writing the caboose
book for the Society, I traveled to the ICC Library in Washington, DC
several times for research.  At that time my focus was on building a roster
of the earliest cabooses and the ICC Library contained an extensive
collection of the Official Railway Equipment Registers.  I didn't really
have time to browse the rest of the collection but it was extensive.  I
think the information Rick received is probably correct; as I understand
it, some material was shipped to a University (I think in Colorado but
might be wrong); one can only hope that there is material that just hasn't
been scanned yet, but I would hold my breath.

Jim Brewer

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> I brought this question up to someone who researched the ICC accident
> files.  The answer I got is that a lot of the files were thrown out with
> the closure of the ICC, and what remains is what is available on-line.  One
> of my theories was that accidents with no fatalities were not in the files,
> but that proved not to be true.  There are minor accidents as well as
> horrendous accidents in the files. It is odd that some years are extensive
> and some years show few accidents, or that some railroads had no
> accidents.  That makes no sense.
>
> --Rick Morrison
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> I have seen the accident reports on the ICC site for the N&W. I have seen
> photos of accidents that are not on the ICC listings. My 2 questions are,
> why were some listed and some not? Is there a company listing of all the
> accidents that were on the N&W?
>
> Jeff Wood
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Maybe just like today NTSB does not investigate all accidents . Also boiler explosions are not found in those reports but are available maybe Harry will explain that.

Larry Evans

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Rick's note reminded me that when Bob Bowers and I were writing the caboose book for the Society, I traveled to the ICC Library in Washington, DC several times for research.  At that time my focus was on building a roster of the earliest cabooses and the ICC Library contained an extensive collection of the Official Railway Equipment Registers.  I didn't really have time to browse the rest of the collection but it was extensive.  I think the information Rick received is probably correct; as I understand it, some material was shipped to a University (I think in Colorado but might be wrong); one can only hope that there is material that just hasn't been scanned yet, but I would hold my breath.

Jim Brewer

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I brought this question up to someone who researched the ICC accident files.  The answer I got is that a lot of the files were thrown out with the closure of the ICC, and what remains is what is available on-line.  One of my theories was that accidents with no fatalities were not in the files, but that proved not to be true.  There are minor accidents as well as horrendous accidents in the files. It is odd that some years are extensive and some years show few accidents, or that some railroads had no accidents.  That makes no sense. 

--Rick Morrison

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I have seen the accident reports on the ICC site for the N&W. I have seen photos of accidents that are not on the ICC listings. My 2 questions are, why were some listed and some not? Is there a company listing of all the accidents that were on the N&W?

Jeff Wood

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