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Wed Feb 24 11:25:42 EST 2016

Oh yes, the non-vestibule ends of the lightweight cars did have brackets.
And the 1949 cars all had electrical sockets, which were on the sides of
the car next to the ends. The brackets were on the ends, but the sockets
were near them on the sides.

Jim Nichols

On Monday, February 22, 2016 7:50 AM, NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list at> <nw-mailing-list at> wrote:

    I thought it odd reading this. I have never seen an electrified oil
lamp type rear marker. None of the reference material that I have show an
electrical socket on the side of the Observation car and I haven't seen one
on any of the ends of the other passenger cars.
    If you remember, cabs were assigned to conductors. I feel sure that
each conductor kept a set of markers locked up in a locker inside of their
cab. Where passenger car markers were kept I don't know for sure, probably
inside one of the cars or maybe they were turned in at the end of the trip.
I think that they were an item that was kept on the shelf at the storehouse
and probably somewhere around the passenger station. Let me ask my former
conductor to see if he has a better answer.
    One thing that I do find interesting is that the non-vestibule ends of
the lightweight cars do not have marker brackets.

Jimmy Lisle

    Look at this picture from Mainline Modeler. It appears that the
electrical socket you are speaking of is just above the vertical grab iron
on the side (photo upper right). So, does this mean there were electric lit
markers? I have just never seen one that looked like an oil lit marker.


    Also note that in the other three photos there are no brackets for
marker lights. Could this be because the brackets and sockets have been
removed after the time when lighted markers were no longer required? If so,
was a red disc used for a marker just like on the cabs? The photo below
from Pullman shows the brackets on the vestibule end as would seem logical
and the electrical socket.


Jimmy Lisle
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