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Wed Feb 24 11:37:18 EST 2016

I have seen the markers on the Powhatan Arrow plugged in to the sockets, so I can only assume that the marker had to be electric. (Yes, it looks just like a kerosene marker, except it has an electric cord coming out of it.) As for the three photos with no brackets, note that there are no longer any cinder deflectors on the roof eirher; so the photos are late, and probably reflect the demise of markers.
Jim Nichols 

    On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:26 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at> wrote:

  Oh yes, the non-vestibule ends of the lightweight cars did have brackets. 
 And the 1949 cars all had electrical sockets, which were on the sides of the car next to the ends. The brackets were on the ends, but the sockets were near them on the sides.  
  Jim Nichols   
         On Monday, February 22, 2016 7:50 AM, NW Mailing List mailto:nw-mailing-list at wrote:
     I thought it odd reading this. I have never seen an electrified oil lamp type rear marker. None of the reference material that I have show an electrical socket on the side of the Observation car and I haven't seen one on any of the ends of the other passenger cars.
     If you remember, cabs were assigned to conductors. I feel sure that each conductor kept a set of markers locked up in a locker inside of their cab. Where passenger car markers were kept I don't know for sure, probably inside one of the cars or maybe they were turned in at the end of the trip. I think that they were an item that was kept on the shelf at the storehouse and probably somewhere around the passenger station. Let me ask my former conductor to see if he has a better answer.
     One thing that I do find interesting is that the non-vestibule ends of the lightweight cars do not have marker brackets.
 Jimmy Lisle
     Look at this picture from Mainline Modeler. It appears that the electrical socket you are speaking of is just above the vertical grab iron on the side (photo upper right). So, does this mean there were electric lit markers? I have just never seen one that looked like an oil lit marker.


    Also note that in the other three photos there are no brackets for marker lights. Could this be because the brackets and sockets have been removed after the time when lighted markers were no longer required? If so, was a red disc used for a marker just like on the cabs? The photo below from Pullman shows the brackets on the vestibule end as would seem logical and the electrical socket.

Jimmy Lisle

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