Pullman question What do we really know???

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*What do we, the N&WHS, really know? Number 1 ?*

On the subject of the _*12-1 Pullman*_ sleeper cars is the following 
correct?:

There were six cars bought by the N&W.
Of those six;
     We have photographic proof that two, Cuttyhunk and Lowry, were 
painted N&W Red, lettered for NORFOLK AND WESTERN and had stripes.
     We photographic proof that one car, Chilhowie, was left painted 
green and lettered for PULLMAN.
     There is no photographic proof that the other three cars, Galax, 
Vulcan and Sunstar Rose, were painted and striped for N&W but they 
probably were.

*What do we, the N&WHS, really know? Number 2?*

A number of years ago, someone provided a list of the N&W Steel 
Passenger Car Fleet. It was very comprehensive. However, it does not 
mention anything about Pullman Sleeper cars, the different types, their 
names, or color. Searching the "Archives" provides not much more 
information, only a very little on the S1 & S2 types. Vern French's book 
provides some more information, but, even that can be very sketchy, 
misleading and/or difficult to figure out. And, as we have seen, there 
are mistakes in the "N&W Handbook".

So, where does one go to find complete and definitive information about 
the Pullman sleeping cars used on the N&W? How can we, the modelers, 
historians and manufacturers be expected to get things right if the 
information is for all intents and purposes unavailable?

Rick,
In the underlined part of your posting below, did you mean to write 
"Cuttyhunk" instead of "Chilhowie"?
>
> On 1/28/2016 7:13 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>> N&W acquired six 12-1 sleeping cars from Pullman in the 1948 
>> divestiture.  Five cars had an inside length of 73 ft 10 inches:  
>> Chilhowie, Galax, Lowry, Sunstar Rose, Vulcan.  Another car, 
>> Cuttyhunk, was slightly different with an inside length of 72 ft 10 
>> inches.  N&W also acquired two cars with 10 sections, 1 drawing room, 
>> 1 compartment:  Island Regal and Island Rose.  Some of these cars may 
>> have been assigned to N&W service when the were owned and operated by 
>> Pullman, They would have been Pullman green and lettered "PULLMAN" on 
>> the letterboards. _/**/_After N&W bought them they were painted 
>> tuscan red, striped and lettered like the _/*attached photo of 
>> Chilhowie photographed in Orlando, Florida on June 25, 1955.*/_  
>> Although Pullman sold most of its heavyweight fleet to the railroads, 
>> the cars were leased back to Pullman for operation.  In most cases 
>> Pullman was responsible for painting and maintaining the cars.
>> At least two 10 section-lounge cars were assigned to N&W service but 
>> remained in Pullman ownership.  The cars were painted in N&W colors 
>> but lettered PULLMAN on the letterboards. Dinwiddie County had a 
>> single vestibule and observation-lounge at its blunt end.  Norfolk 
>> County had the same interior configuration, but with enclosed 
>> vestibules at both ends.  Until circa 1954 these cars 
>> operated Norfolk-Chicago in Pocahontas service.
>> The attached photo is copied from /Classic Trains /magazine Summer 
>> 2008 issue vol 9, issue 2.
>> --Rick Morrison
>>
>> Moderator:
>> http://nwhs.org/mailinglist/2016/20160128.NW_Pullman_Cuttyhunk121.pdf

Jimmy Lisle

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