N&W and Southern thru passenger service

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For several weeks during February and March 1950, during a coal strike, 
Southern diesels ran through on the N&W-Southern joint passenger trains 
(17-18, 41-42, 45-46) between Monroe and Bristol (see RAILS REMEMBERED, Vol. 
3, p. 491).

Around May 1953, the Southern's coaling station at Monroe was torn down (see 
"The Arrow," Vol. 27, No. 2, p. 28, Chapter 73 of RAILS REMEMBERED).  After 
that time and until the end of N&W steam operation on the joint trains, 
engines were dispatched from Roanoke to Monroe and back with a sufficient 
amount of coal to make the roundtrip.  They were not serviced at Kinney.

Louis Newton



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> As a follow-on to Ray's comment, the entire Bristol Line operation was 

> dieslized on January 1st, 1958.  Prior to that, both main line freight and 

> passenger service was steam powered, although the Abingdon Branch had been 

> dieselized in December 1957.  The Bristol engine terminal became diesel 

> only while Radford turned a few steam engines until July 1958 for the 

> Huckleberry and other local runs.

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> The only time that Southern diesels were routinely used on the joint 

> passenger trains prior to 1958 was during coal strikes such as in 1949. 

> After dieselizing the joint N&W/SR trains on 1/1/1958, the Southern 

> diesels run through between Bristol and Monroe.

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> In about 1953, the Southern's steam terminal at Monroe stopped servicing 

> steam and the N&W J's were required to run the joint trains from Roanoke 

> to Monroe and back to Roanoke, possibly being serviced at Kinney.  Louis 

> Newton probably can elaborate further on this since he has mentioned this 

> before.

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> Bud Jeffries

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>  The N&W/Southern trains (45-46, 17-18,41-42) were dieselized effective 

> January 1, 1958. By this time N&W was moving toward diesel power on all 

> its passenger trains (Shenandoah Valley line trains already had switched 

> to diesel power) and would achieve complete dieselization of passenger 

> service in the summer of 1958  (except for limited, occasional use of 

> steam around Christmas, 1958 and later excursion service).

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>  While GP9's were not used on the N&W/Southern passenger trains, they were 

> used on the N&W/Southern mail trains which ran in December each year to 

> move the heavy volume of Christmas mail.

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>  There trains, utilizing primarily box cars for the mail, ran as second 

> sections to some (not all) of the N&W/Southern trains well into the 1960s.

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>        Ray Smoot

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>        Blacksburg, Va.

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>  I took the following question from the Southern Group and am asking if 

> anyone could explain further?

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>  I've noticed that several of Southern and Norfolk and Western's joint 

> trains like the Birmingham Special and Tennesean often had Southern power 

> on the N&W portion of the route after the N&W became 100% diesel, was this 

> normal and did all trains do this and does anyone have any info on why 

> N&W's passenger GP9's were not used instead?

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>  James Wall

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>  Rural Hall, NC

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> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:07:26 -0500

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> I think I herd there would be six new crossovers installed and signaled in 

> both direction

> to accommodate the Amtrak Service

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> Larry Evans

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>  Walter:

>  Regarding the photo made at New Bohemia -- do you know if NS has

>  extended Traffic Control east of Disputanta ?  Used to be a rule of thumb

>  Crewe dispatchers used -- if a coal train didn't have a 90 minute lead on

>  eastbound passenger trains at Disputanta, the drag  was held there until 

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>  passenger train passed.

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>  En route to the coast two weeks ago, a M/W gang told be they'd recently

>  installed a double crossover at MP 47 (west of Ivor).  Must be in 

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>  of new Amtrak service to Norfolk.           Thanks - Harry Bundy

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