N&W and Southern thru passenger service

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Louis,

Thanks for your additional comments.

Bud Jeffries

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> For several weeks during February and March 1950, during a coal strike, 

> Southern diesels ran through on the N&W-Southern joint passenger trains 

> (17-18, 41-42, 45-46) between Monroe and Bristol (see RAILS REMEMBERED, 

> Vol. 3, p. 491).

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> Around May 1953, the Southern's coaling station at Monroe was torn down 

> (see "The Arrow," Vol. 27, No. 2, p. 28, Chapter 73 of RAILS REMEMBERED). 

> After that time and until the end of N&W steam operation on the joint 

> trains, engines were dispatched from Roanoke to Monroe and back with a 

> sufficient amount of coal to make the roundtrip.  They were not serviced 

> at Kinney.

>

> Louis Newton

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>> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:56:58 -0500

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>> Subject: Re: N&W and Southern Thru passenger service

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>> As a follow-on to Ray's comment, the entire Bristol Line operation was 

>> dieslized on January 1st, 1958.  Prior to that, both main line freight 

>> and passenger service was steam powered, although the Abingdon Branch had 

>> been dieselized in December 1957.  The Bristol engine terminal became 

>> diesel only while Radford turned a few steam engines until July 1958 for 

>> the Huckleberry and other local runs.

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>> The only time that Southern diesels were routinely used on the joint 

>> passenger trains prior to 1958 was during coal strikes such as in 1949. 

>> After dieselizing the joint N&W/SR trains on 1/1/1958, the Southern 

>> diesels run through between Bristol and Monroe.

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>> In about 1953, the Southern's steam terminal at Monroe stopped servicing 

>> steam and the N&W J's were required to run the joint trains from Roanoke 

>> to Monroe and back to Roanoke, possibly being serviced at Kinney.  Louis 

>> Newton probably can elaborate further on this since he has mentioned this 

>> before.

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>> Bud Jeffries

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>>  Subject: RE: N&W and Southern Thru passenger service

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>>  The N&W/Southern trains (45-46, 17-18,41-42) were dieselized effective 

>> January 1, 1958. By this time N&W was moving toward diesel power on all 

>> its passenger trains (Shenandoah Valley line trains already had switched 

>> to diesel power) and would achieve complete dieselization of passenger 

>> service in the summer of 1958  (except for limited, occasional use of 

>> steam around Christmas, 1958 and later excursion service).

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>>  While GP9's were not used on the N&W/Southern passenger trains, they 

>> were used on the N&W/Southern mail trains which ran in December each year 

>> to move the heavy volume of Christmas mail.

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>>  There trains, utilizing primarily box cars for the mail, ran as second 

>> sections to some (not all) of the N&W/Southern trains well into the 

>> 1960s.

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>>        Ray Smoot

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>>        Blacksburg, Va.

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>>  I took the following question from the Southern Group and am asking if 

>> anyone could explain further?

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>>  I've noticed that several of Southern and Norfolk and Western's joint 

>> trains like the Birmingham Special and Tennesean often had Southern power 

>> on the N&W portion of the route after the N&W became 100% diesel, was 

>> this normal and did all trains do this and does anyone have any info on 

>> why N&W's passenger GP9's were not used instead?

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>>  James Wall

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>>  Rural Hall, NC

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>> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:07:26 -0500

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>> I think I herd there would be six new crossovers installed and signaled 

>> in both direction

>> to accommodate the Amtrak Service

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>> Larry Evans

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>>  Walter:

>>  Regarding the photo made at New Bohemia -- do you know if NS has

>>  extended Traffic Control east of Disputanta ?  Used to be a rule of 

>> thumb

>>  Crewe dispatchers used -- if a coal train didn't have a 90 minute lead 

>> on

>>  eastbound passenger trains at Disputanta, the drag  was held there until 

>> the

>>  passenger train passed.

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>>  En route to the coast two weeks ago, a M/W gang told be they'd recently

>>  installed a double crossover at MP 47 (west of Ivor).  Must be in 

>> anticipation

>>  of new Amtrak service to Norfolk.           Thanks - Harry Bundy

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