Doubleheaded K2s?

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Regarding Jim Detty’s comments and others, I have these examples of double-heading out of Cincinnati e/b:

A with a J following, photographed at CUT- no date but probably Korean War era

Two K2’s doubleheading the Pocahontas (leaving late) on the PRR’s C&R branch west of Clare yard on the connection route from CUT to the N&W tracks. Late 1930’s

Two J’s doubleheading the Arrow or the Cavalier- mid 1940’s

And the examples on Warren Scholls/Greg Scholls video N&W Steam Freights

I have never seen or found a shot of a double header coming in westbound. Also, the ARROW did have heavyweight cars on the head end coming out of Cinti by even the early 1950’s which make determining the train, Arrow or Cavalier, difficult at times.

Given the relative few shots of any N&W steam passenger trains in or out of CUT and the number of shots with double headers, like 20% of those known, one would have to estimate that double-headers were not uncommon.

Gary Rolih

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Note that no N&W passenger engine was serviced at Clare as ‘regular operations’; N&W passenger engines were either serviced by Cincinnati Union Terminal after March of 1933; the PRR at their Pendleton Shops before that when the N&W trains went into the Panhandle depot or at Idlewild on the PRR/Cincinnati Lebanon & Northern pre 1924. Red-Bird GP-9’s didn’t go into Clare either for servicing. Also note that any J or K-2 working off its life in 1958-59 on local freights didn’t go on the Peavine as freight steam was gone in the summer of 1956.

Gary Rolih


N&W did make an attempt to avoid the costly service provided by Cincinnati Union Terminal --

In the mid-1950s, most other roads in Cincinnati had converted to diesel power -- B&O and

NYC may have been exceptions. But N&W's share of coaling an engine had increased.

During an experimental period, coal boards were added and westbound passenger trains

would top off at Prichard and skip coaling at C.U.T. But the test concluded that there were

too many eastbound trains returning to Prichard with just a bucket full left in the tender.

The Norfolk Division did run A's (in the lead) with K's. Remember that the K's (Nos. 121-123

as I recall) were assigned to Richmond-Petersburg-Norfolk service and that ACL's GRS

automatic train control couldn't integrate with N&W's Union Switch & Signal system.

These three K's, therefore, were fitted with GRS equipment. When overhaul or some

federal tests came due, the GRS-equipped K's would be hauled to Shaffers Crossing

behind an A. Harry Bundy


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