Through Truss TT Bridge (Was Re: N&W in 1903 -- New Rail)

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I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to steam power, and I am
totally unfamiliar with yard coal versus road coal.  What is the
difference?  Is it a function of the locomotive or of the work to be
done? Why would a Y have different coal requirements than the Z-class
unless switching a local required a different type of coal that the
Y-class that would be in road service?

Thanks for any information you can provide.

Bill Smith
Atlanta, GA 

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I have very little information on the steam loco facilities at
Waynesboro, 
but Jeff's mention of no evidence of a coaling tower could be explained
by 
the likelihood that there was no coaling tower.  I am familiar with the 
coaling arrangement that was used in the early 1950s at Durham, which
may 
have serviced more locomotives than Waynesboro, i.e., at Durham each day

there were one to three Y6 locomotives on through freights, a Z on the
local 
freight, an S on the yard, and a K1 on the passenger train.

Durham had no coaling tower.  The tenders were filled with coal from a 
Norfolk style hoist.  This type hoist had a bucket that descended on an 
inclined track into a pit beneath two tracks, one track for hopper cars
with 
yard coal and one track for hopper cars with road coal.  The bucket
could be 
spotted for loading under either track.  After the bucket was loaded
with 
the proper coal for the type locomotive being coaled, it would be
hoisted up 
the inclined track and dumped into the tender.

Durham had no ash hoist.  The ashes were simply dumped on a metal sheet
over 
top of the ties on the "spark track" to be shoveled up later.

The 1943 N&W Annual Report states that a Norfolk type coal hoist was 
constructed at Waynesboro.  So, that could account for evidence of one
pit. 
If Waynesboro also had an ash hoist, it out classed Durham.

Also, drawings with "proposed" in the title can be unreliable, for I
have 
seen many that were part of a study that never came to fruition.

Maybe more definitive info will turn up from others.

Gordon Hamilton


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> Jeff,

>

> I have copies of two drawings that I obtained from the Society's

archives; 

> the earliest is Drawing A21155, dated August 24, 1920, with a last 

> revision date of August 29, 1923.  This drawing notes "proposed"

change is 

> track to allow clearance  for the ash hoist and proposed coal hoist;

both 

> of these are shown on a track that would roughly follow the curve of

the 

> C&O track.

>

> The second drawing is A29329 dated December 1, 1928 with no revision

dates 

> noted; it shows a "proposed coal & ash hoist" that would be on a

siding 

> that roughly parallels the N&W mainline and fit between it and one of

the 

> turntable leads; this drawing shows the locations of, what I presume

to 

> be, an existing "coah house" and "coal wharf." It also shows the "Yard



> Office" to be at the end of the spur track that parallels the C&O

track, 

> albeit on a lower level.

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> Both drawings note the turntable length to be 115 feet.

>

> I've never been able to figure out exactly what was there; as this

will be 

> the last portion of my model railroad to be completed, I hope that if

I 

> live that long, to finally figure out what was there and represent it

as 

> best as possible.

>

> On p. 33 of Warden's "Norfolk & Western: Diesel's Last Conquest,"

there is 

> a photo of a southbound GOP special; on the left of the photo are

steps 

> that I presume led to the turntable area.  On p. 34, there is a photo

of 

> M-2 1119, the "regular" Waynesboro switcher on what I presume is the

ash 

> pit track, with the ash hoist in the back of the locomotive.

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> I don't know if Mr. Warden took more photos of this area; I would

suspect 

> he did given the fact that it was the "engine terminal" and would 

> naturally attract a photographer's attention.

>

> I'd love to learn more about this area and/or find additional

photographs 

> that might clear up the actual track/servicing arrangement.

>

> Jim Brewer

> Glenwood MD

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>> Although the bridge from the Waynesboro is gone, the pit remains. 

>> Curiously, there seems to have been an ash hoist but no coaling

tower.

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>> Jeff Cornelius

>> Two Blocks from the N&W Valley Line

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>> Mainline Modeler magazine ran a series of articles on Waynesboro; 

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>> focus was on the C&O, and the source material and photos from the

C&OHS,

>> the articles contained a lot of info, including a photo of the N&W

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>> Thanks

>> Jim,

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>>    I have that series, but, just

>> like those photos I was going through, haven't looked at them for a 

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>> I'll go back and see if the two pictures are the same.

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