Through Truss TT Bridge (Was Re: N&W in 1903 -- New Rail)

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The description of the N&W coal hoist sounds much like what I'd been 
calling an ash hoist.


Jeff Cornelius
Two Blocks from the N&W Valley Line


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I have very little information on the steam loco facilities at 
Waynesboro,
but Jeff's mention of no evidence of a coaling tower could be explained 
by
the likelihood that there was no coaling tower.  I am familiar with the
coaling arrangement that was used in the early 1950s at Durham, which 
may
have serviced more locomotives than Waynesboro, i.e., at Durham each 
day
there were one to three Y6 locomotives on through freights, a Z on the 
local
freight, an S on the yard, and a K1 on the passenger train.


Durham had no coaling tower.  The tenders were filled with coal from a
Norfolk style hoist.  This type hoist had a bucket that descended on an
inclined track into a pit beneath two tracks, one track for hopper cars 
with
yard coal and one track for hopper cars with road coal.  The bucket 
could be
spotted for loading under either track.  After the bucket was loaded 
with
the proper coal for the type locomotive being coaled, it would be 
hoisted up
the inclined track and dumped into the tender.


Durham had no ash hoist.  The ashes were simply dumped on a metal sheet 
over
top of the ties on the "spark track" to be shoveled up later.


The 1943 N&W Annual Report states that a Norfolk type coal hoist was
constructed at Waynesboro.  So, that could account for evidence of one 
pit.
If Waynesboro also had an ash hoist, it out classed Durham.


Also, drawings with "proposed" in the title can be unreliable, for I 
have
seen many that were part of a study that never came to fruition.


Maybe more definitive info will turn up from others.


Gordon Hamilton



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> Jeff,



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> I have copies of two drawings that I obtained from the Society's 

archives;

> the earliest is Drawing A21155, dated August 24, 1920, with a last

> revision date of August 29, 1923.  This drawing notes "proposed" 

change is

> track to allow clearance  for the ash hoist and proposed coal hoist; 

both

> of these are shown on a track that would roughly follow the curve of 

the

> C&O track.



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> The second drawing is A29329 dated December 1, 1928 with no revision 

dates

> noted; it shows a "proposed coal & ash hoist" that would be on a 

siding

> that roughly parallels the N&W mainline and fit between it and one of 

the

> turntable leads; this drawing shows the locations of, what I presume 

to

> be, an existing "coah house" and "coal wharf." It also shows the 

"Yard

> Office" to be at the end of the spur track that parallels the C&O 

track,

> albeit on a lower level.



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> Both drawings note the turntable length to be 115 feet.



>



> I've never been able to figure out exactly what was there; as this 

will be

> the last portion of my model railroad to be completed, I hope that if 

I

> live that long, to finally figure out what was there and represent it 

as

> best as possible.



>



> On p. 33 of Warden's "Norfolk & Western: Diesel's Last Conquest," 

there is

> a photo of a southbound GOP special; on the left of the photo are 

steps

> that I presume led to the turntable area.  On p. 34, there is a photo 

of

> M-2 1119, the "regular" Waynesboro switcher on what I presume is the 

ash

> pit track, with the ash hoist in the back of the locomotive.



>



> I don't know if Mr. Warden took more photos of this area; I would 

suspect

> he did given the fact that it was the "engine terminal" and would

> naturally attract a photographer's attention.



>



> I'd love to learn more about this area and/or find additional 

photographs

> that might clear up the actual track/servicing arrangement.



>



> Jim Brewer



> Glenwood MD



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>> Although the bridge from the Waynesboro is gone, the pit remains.

>> Curiously, there seems to have been an ash hoist but no coaling 

tower.


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>> Jeff Cornelius



>> Two Blocks from the N&W Valley Line



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>> Mainline Modeler magazine ran a series of articles on Waynesboro;

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>> focus was on the C&O, and the source material and photos from the 

C&OHS,


>> the articles contained a lot of info, including a photo of the N&W



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>>    I have that series, but, just



>> like those photos I was going through, haven't looked at them for a

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>> I'll go back and see if the two pictures are the same.



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