Through Truss TT Bridge (Was Re: N&W in 1903 -- New Rail)

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Bill,

I am only familiar with the N&W coaling facilities that existed at Durham, 
NC and Shaffers Crossing, Roanoke, VA, and both of them supplied both "road" 
coal for road locomotive and "yard" coal for yard locomotives.

I am not familiar with all of the differences between the two types of fuel 
on the N&W, although I think I have seen some specifications somewhere, 
maybe in the NWHS Archives.  I can address the physical differences, 
however.

First, it must be understood that the draft induced through the firebox of a 
steam loco by the discharge of the exhaust steam from the cylinder through 
the nozzle in the front end can be very strong when the engine is working 
hard.  Under such condition, when coal with fine particles is introduced 
into a firebox, many of the fines do not settle on the firebed,  but are 
conveyed through the firetubes and discharged out the stack as black smoke, 
sparks and cinders.  Excessive discharges like this in an urban area could 
cause problems, so the "yard" coal would be more like lump coal with reduced 
fines, whereas the "road" coal would be like "run-of-mine," a cheaper coal 
with more fines.

I suspect that line-of-road coaling stations, such as Vicker, VA and 
Pritchard, WV handled only "road" coal.

Gordon Hamilton

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>I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to steam power, and I am

> totally unfamiliar with yard coal versus road coal.  What is the

> difference?  Is it a function of the locomotive or of the work to be

> done? Why would a Y have different coal requirements than the Z-class

> unless switching a local required a different type of coal that the

> Y-class that would be in road service?

>

> Thanks for any information you can provide.

>

> Bill Smith

> Atlanta, GA

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> I have very little information on the steam loco facilities at

> Waynesboro,

> but Jeff's mention of no evidence of a coaling tower could be explained

> by

> the likelihood that there was no coaling tower.  I am familiar with the

> coaling arrangement that was used in the early 1950s at Durham, which

> may

> have serviced more locomotives than Waynesboro, i.e., at Durham each day

>

> there were one to three Y6 locomotives on through freights, a Z on the

> local

> freight, an S on the yard, and a K1 on the passenger train.

>

> Durham had no coaling tower.  The tenders were filled with coal from a

> Norfolk style hoist.  This type hoist had a bucket that descended on an

> inclined track into a pit beneath two tracks, one track for hopper cars

> with

> yard coal and one track for hopper cars with road coal.  The bucket

> could be

> spotted for loading under either track.  After the bucket was loaded

> with

> the proper coal for the type locomotive being coaled, it would be

> hoisted up

> the inclined track and dumped into the tender.

>

> Durham had no ash hoist.  The ashes were simply dumped on a metal sheet

> over

> top of the ties on the "spark track" to be shoveled up later.

>

> The 1943 N&W Annual Report states that a Norfolk type coal hoist was

> constructed at Waynesboro.  So, that could account for evidence of one

> pit.

> If Waynesboro also had an ash hoist, it out classed Durham.

>

> Also, drawings with "proposed" in the title can be unreliable, for I

> have

> seen many that were part of a study that never came to fruition.

>

> Maybe more definitive info will turn up from others.

>

> Gordon Hamilton

>

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>> Jeff,

>>

>> I have copies of two drawings that I obtained from the Society's

> archives;

>> the earliest is Drawing A21155, dated August 24, 1920, with a last

>> revision date of August 29, 1923.  This drawing notes "proposed"

> change is

>> track to allow clearance  for the ash hoist and proposed coal hoist;

> both

>> of these are shown on a track that would roughly follow the curve of

> the

>> C&O track.

>>

>> The second drawing is A29329 dated December 1, 1928 with no revision

> dates

>> noted; it shows a "proposed coal & ash hoist" that would be on a

> siding

>> that roughly parallels the N&W mainline and fit between it and one of

> the

>> turntable leads; this drawing shows the locations of, what I presume

> to

>> be, an existing "coah house" and "coal wharf." It also shows the "Yard

>

>> Office" to be at the end of the spur track that parallels the C&O

> track,

>> albeit on a lower level.

>>

>> Both drawings note the turntable length to be 115 feet.

>>

>> I've never been able to figure out exactly what was there; as this

> will be

>> the last portion of my model railroad to be completed, I hope that if

> I

>> live that long, to finally figure out what was there and represent it

> as

>> best as possible.

>>

>> On p. 33 of Warden's "Norfolk & Western: Diesel's Last Conquest,"

> there is

>> a photo of a southbound GOP special; on the left of the photo are

> steps

>> that I presume led to the turntable area.  On p. 34, there is a photo

> of

>> M-2 1119, the "regular" Waynesboro switcher on what I presume is the

> ash

>> pit track, with the ash hoist in the back of the locomotive.

>>

>> I don't know if Mr. Warden took more photos of this area; I would

> suspect

>> he did given the fact that it was the "engine terminal" and would

>> naturally attract a photographer's attention.

>>

>> I'd love to learn more about this area and/or find additional

> photographs

>> that might clear up the actual track/servicing arrangement.

>>

>> Jim Brewer

>> Glenwood MD

>>

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>>> Although the bridge from the Waynesboro is gone, the pit remains.

>>> Curiously, there seems to have been an ash hoist but no coaling

> tower.

>>>

>>>

>>> Jeff Cornelius

>>> Two Blocks from the N&W Valley Line

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>>> "Several years ago,

>>> Mainline Modeler magazine ran a series of articles on Waynesboro;

>>> although the

>>> focus was on the C&O, and the source material and photos from the

> C&OHS,

>>> the articles contained a lot of info, including a photo of the N&W

>>> turntable."

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>>>

>>> Thanks

>>> Jim,

>>>

>>>

>>>    I have that series, but, just

>>> like those photos I was going through, haven't looked at them for a

>>> while.

>>> I'll go back and see if the two pictures are the same.

>>>

>>>

>>> Jimmy Lisle

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