Bowser announcement

Thu Oct 23 23:01:43 EDT 2025

Very strange to think a N&W unit could have been painted blue after 1974
(or really after 1971 when black NW scheme became official) ?????  The date
of this picture was 1981.

Ed Painter  - From Narrows, VA............born in Bluefield, WV.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 4:56 PM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> Today this photo popped up on the Fallen Flags Facebook group, and I
> thought of this discussion- especially since it includes 1013 (I learned a
> lot about diesels in the last ten days!)
>
> Matt Goodman
> Columbus, Ohio
>
> [image: image]
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Oct 21, 2025, at 8:08 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Chris,
>
> Yes........it was very common for the N&W and NW paint schemes to peel or
> flake off NKP and WAB units exposing a lot of the NKP or WAB original
> paint.  Proper prepping might make a new coat of paint adhere better and
> last longer!!!!!!!!  It made for some rough looking units and didn't help
> N&W's public image much either!!!!!!
>
> Ed Painter - from Narrows, VA  having once lived in NE Ohio for 9 years in
> the 70's.
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 7:02 AM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> This discussion brings back a lot of memories for me growing up along the
>> N&W and seeing a mixture of blue and black paint in locomotive consists.
>> It was a stark contrast to the mostly homogeneous black and white NS
>> consists of today with the exception of an occasional heritage engine.
>>
>> One of the most memorable sightings that I experienced occurred on my way
>> to school one morning in third grade.  My mother was driving me to school
>> and we had to wait on an EB at the west road crossing in Davy.  One of the
>> trailing locomotives in the consist was ex-NKP C420 2578.
>>
>>  The engine was painted in the 1971 black and white scheme, but it had an
>> oddity.  The large white “NW” on the side of the long hood was completely
>> gone.  What was visible in place of the missing herald and its surrounding
>> paint were the words “Plate Road”.   “Plate Road” no longer appeared
>> yellow; it looked white, but the font was undeniable.  I wish I could’ve
>> gotten a pic but this was 3 or 4 years b.c. for me (before camera).  Thanks
>> to all for an awesome discussion.
>>
>> Thank Ya’n Out,
>> Chris Dalton
>> Bluefield, WV
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 20, 2025, at 6:10 PM, NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ed had some technical issues with getting the photos to the list, so I
>> took care of it for him.
>> >
>> > We also discussed the 1013 in blue, as it seems to be the only one that
>> was repainted from black, and the only thing we can guess is it was
>> involved in some sort of accident, and repainted after repairs.
>> >
>> > Best
>> > Ken Miller
>> > <NW 1013 C425 6-74.jpg>
>> > <NW 1013 C425 Roanoke VA 4-14-84.jpg>
>> > <NW 1013 C425 2-74.jpg>
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Oct 19, 2025, at 11:34 PM, NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My last note had 2 pictures of 1013 attached.
>> >>
>> >> Ed
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 11:32 PM Edwin Painter <edwinpainter at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> I've got shots of all the low hood exWabash C425's.  I've got shots of
>> 1011 through 1016.  These units are all black with written out N&W and 1/2
>> moon herolds in yellow.  As for 1013 I have one shot that shows it in what
>> appears to be faded blue but other shots that clearly appear to show it in
>> black??????
>> >>
>> >> Ed Painter
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 9:16 PM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >> Brent,
>> >> I have a photo of the 1013 on the dead line adjacent to Shenandoah
>> Avenue in Roanoke in August 1981.  It looks to be badly faded Pevler Blue
>> with a large swath of rust along the mid section of the engineers side long
>> hood.  I’d be surprised if it ever received any additional paint before it
>> was sold.  In the prior summer of 1980,  I got a shot of the 1007 in the
>> same vicinity.  It was wearing a somewhat uncouth hybrid paint scheme.  The
>> paint was weathered black with a dulux gold half moon herald and road
>> number on the cab side yet the engineers side long hood was adorned with
>> the Fishwick era large white “NW”.  I don’t ever recall seeing another
>> paint job quite like it!
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Chris Dalton
>> >> Bluefield, WV
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2025, at 7:00 PM, NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I’ll look through my pictures of C425s after I get home later this
>> afternoon.  I don’t recall any C425’s in that scheme.  C420s 413 and 417
>> both had the large N&W scheme.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ed Painter, Narrows, VA
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 5:11 PM NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>> Thanks Ken, that definitely answered my question.  I had remembered
>> seeing one of the C420 units in the "n & w" black livery and just wondered
>> if any of the C425's might have also gotten it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Brent
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr. J. Brent Greer
>> >>> From: NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf
>> of NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2025 4:20:40 PM
>> >>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: Bowser announcement   Brent
>> >>>
>> >>> The Archives does not have a huge selection of photos of and C425,
>> but the 1013 in the large “N&W” scheme does not seem likely, as this photo
>> from the Archives:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nwhs.org%2Farchivesdb%2Fdetail.php%3FID%3D164156&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cb40e6c2263ce4ecc397a08de0f4d07d5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638965020673440661%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LhOjc7tlnWXKnqZochVJb7Jb906cuzw9dMpsCtcUEeY%3D&reserved=0
>> >>>
>> >>> Depicts it stored in 1984 in very faded blue, and it was sold that
>> year.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bob Bowers database on our website indicated it was stored in 2019
>> awaiting wheel work. The only thing I can find is a photo of it stored at
>> Gowand, NY taken in July, that shows it continuing to deteriorate with lots
>> of rusty paint. If it needs wheel work, it likely may not be able to move
>> or interchange without that work being done.
>> >>>
>> >>> Seems a shame to see it rotting into the ground, but likely the cost
>> of moving it prohibits much museum opportunity.
>> >>>
>> >>> So it could be offered in original black, and the blue and gold
>> schemes.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best
>> >>> Ken Miller
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2025, at 1:42 PM, NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Since #1013 lasted the longest on the N&W roster, as well as still
>> out there operating somewhere, I would think that would be the logical
>> choice.  I will commit to purchasing a #1013 through the Society if
>> offered, with the proviso that it would have to be in the as delivered
>> scheme (black with the hamburger style heralds)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does anyone know if this unit might have ever received the
>> short-lived Black with "n & w" scheme?  I've seen photos of it in Blue and
>> looking in dire need of a repaint.  Just wondering if it got it or not.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Brent
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dr. J. Brent GreerFrom: NW-Modeling-List <
>> nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2025 8:46 AM
>> >>>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Bowser announcement
>> >>>> James,
>> >>>> Thanks for your reply and clearing up the numbering that I had
>> mis-read.  So it looks like we could ask Bowser to do an odd number for us
>> if enough folks were interested in buying one.  Give me a show of hands if
>> you would purchase one from the Society in a unique number.
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Jim Cochran
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 7:50 AM NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>>> Bowser is offering four numbers: 1008, 1010, 1014, 1016.
>> >>>> Numbers are the same for DCC ready and with DCC Sound.
>> >>>> I modeled 1013 since it was the last retired and remained on the
>> roster the longest.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not sure on the EL units matching the ex-Wabash units.  Appears the
>> EL units have dynamic brakes where the Wabash units did not.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Oct 18, 2025, at 05:55, NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> OK,
>> >>>>> I have done a little more looking and it appears that Bowser is
>> offering all 10 HH models already.  However, the LH photos from their ad
>> show EL units that seem to match up well with my photo of N&W 1003.  Please
>> let me know if this is correct.
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> Jim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> James Wall
>> >>>> Rural Hall, NC
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