Arrow and added baggage cars

[NW Modeling List]

Yeah that's it,

This falls into a few paperwork items that are useful to modelers. I
recommend buying a copy.

Here is a quick picture of other forms of books I'm debating using in some
fashion.






On Sun, Jan 5, 2025, 10:50 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:

> Roger
>
> It is available at
>
> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=80715
>
> It is close to complete, but missing a few trains, which may never have
> had sheets issued.
>
> It is also a snapshot, dated 1954, that changed over the next few years.
>
> Best
> Ken Miller
>
> > On Jan 5, 2025, at 10:09 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Where can we see this document you mentioned?
> >
> > Roger Huber
> > Deer Creek Locomotive Works
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 5, 2025 at 06:28:34 AM CST, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm not sure if you know about this document, but it's amazing for late
> steam passenger train modeling. You can see where the head end and sleepers
> went and the consists.
> >
> > The copy paste is error prone, but you can get the message.
> >
> > NORFOLK AND WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY
> > TRAN SPORTATI ON DEPhfi’I’MENT
> > --o--
> > CONSIST OF ALL MnIN LINE PASSENGER TRAINS
> > --o--
> > Revised and Reissued, March 15, l954
> >
> > David Baker
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 4, 2025, 9:44 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
> > Walter
> >
> > The Arrow as originally planned in 1945-46 was a seven car train. That
> was why the order with Pullman-Standard included, two P-1 locker or crew
> cars, two P2 partitioned coaches, 10, P3 58-seat coaches, four D-1 diners
> (two for the Pocahontas) and two P-4 observation lounge cars.
> >
> > The seven-car trains were to be set up as follows:
> >
> > One P1 Coach or Locker Car with space for dining car crew and coach seats
> > One P2 Coach, partitioned coach for race separation to meet Virginia law
> > Three P3 Coaches
> > One D1 diner
> > One P4 Observation Lounge
> >
> > Unfortunately, the railroad fairly quickly learned, with the Arrow
> having run since April 1946, that three coaches were frequently too much,
> so it was cut back to one or two P3 coaches, depending on load and days of
> the week.
> >
> > Traffic never picked up except for holiday travel and other rare
> occasions.
> > By the early 1950s, the P1s were converted to full coaches with a
> smoking section.
> >
> > The train did not handle checked baggage, but about early 1957, a
> combine was added to the consist, I assume to handle some checked baggage.
> >
> > Along about the same time, it was not unusual to see a mail-storage car
> in the consist, that had been late arriving for another train.
> >
> > The N&W began a big effort to eliminate as much passenger service as
> possible. With attempted adjustments of the schedule with the timetable
> change at the end of April 1957 the RPO was placed in the Arrow west of
> Bluefield. I believe it might have been with schedule changes on the
> Cavalier, I’ve got a whole file on it, just not in hand at the moment.
> >
> > By early 1959, the round-end observation-lounge cars were parked and by
> May sold off.
> >
> > A few years later, the Arrow was then combined with the Cavalier,
> further slowing the schedule, and it was finally allowed to die in May 1969
> as part of the upgrade of the Pocahontas.
> >
> > Best
> > Ken Miller
> >
> > > On Jan 4, 2025, at 7:08 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know when the Arrow started adding baggage and/or post
> office cars to the consists of the original 5 car trains?  Walter Davis in
> Youngsville, NC
> > > --
> > > Walter Davis
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