Arrow and added baggage cars

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Roger

It is available at

https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=80715

It is close to complete, but missing a few trains, which may never have had sheets issued.

It is also a snapshot, dated 1954, that changed over the next few years.

Best
Ken Miller

> On Jan 5, 2025, at 10:09 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> David, 
> 
> Where can we see this document you mentioned?
> 
> Roger Huber
> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 5, 2025 at 06:28:34 AM CST, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure if you know about this document, but it's amazing for late steam passenger train modeling. You can see where the head end and sleepers went and the consists. 
> 
> The copy paste is error prone, but you can get the message.
> 
> NORFOLK AND WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY 
> TRAN SPORTATI ON DEPhfi’I’MENT 
> --o-- 
> CONSIST OF ALL MnIN LINE PASSENGER TRAINS 
> --o-- 
> Revised and Reissued, March 15, l954
> 
> David Baker
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025, 9:44 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> Walter
> 
> The Arrow as originally planned in 1945-46 was a seven car train. That was why the order with Pullman-Standard included, two P-1 locker or crew cars, two P2 partitioned coaches, 10, P3 58-seat coaches, four D-1 diners (two for the Pocahontas) and two P-4 observation lounge cars.
> 
> The seven-car trains were to be set up as follows:
> 
> One P1 Coach or Locker Car with space for dining car crew and coach seats
> One P2 Coach, partitioned coach for race separation to meet Virginia law
> Three P3 Coaches
> One D1 diner
> One P4 Observation Lounge
> 
> Unfortunately, the railroad fairly quickly learned, with the Arrow having run since April 1946, that three coaches were frequently too much, so it was cut back to one or two P3 coaches, depending on load and days of the week.
> 
> Traffic never picked up except for holiday travel and other rare occasions.
> By the early 1950s, the P1s were converted to full coaches with a smoking section.
> 
> The train did not handle checked baggage, but about early 1957, a combine was added to the consist, I assume to handle some checked baggage.
> 
> Along about the same time, it was not unusual to see a mail-storage car in the consist, that had been late arriving for another train.
> 
> The N&W began a big effort to eliminate as much passenger service as possible. With attempted adjustments of the schedule with the timetable change at the end of April 1957 the RPO was placed in the Arrow west of Bluefield. I believe it might have been with schedule changes on the Cavalier, I’ve got a whole file on it, just not in hand at the moment.
> 
> By early 1959, the round-end observation-lounge cars were parked and by May sold off.
> 
> A few years later, the Arrow was then combined with the Cavalier, further slowing the schedule, and it was finally allowed to die in May 1969 as part of the upgrade of the Pocahontas.
> 
> Best
> Ken Miller
> 
> > On Jan 4, 2025, at 7:08 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > Does anyone know when the Arrow started adding baggage and/or post office cars to the consists of the original 5 car trains?  Walter Davis in Youngsville, NC
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> > Walter Davis
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