N&W CF project (was N&W RPOs M1)

Sun Aug 4 18:37:50 EDT 2024

We'll have to figure out how do do that.

The AMB kit will look different, as it already has thick walls because
there is a plywood superstructure, and there is a wood sheathing outer
layer. So the tentative plan is to print the interior components separately
and you can glue them in.

Mike Rector

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 4:41 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:

> Wow,
>
> Um I'll take three of those two if they fit the AMB kit. Are you selling?
>
> David Baker
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 3:40 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, for the words of encouragement on the M1 car. It it purely driven
>> by my desire not to spend $800 on a Div Point car. (although once I have
>> 50+ hours into modeling it, $800 will seem like a bargain)
>>
>> I plan to do this project sooner than later, but it won't be for a little
>> while. Jim Cochran and I are in the middle of a large caboose project. I'm
>> 3d modeling an interior for brass cabins, and attempting to fit space for
>> electronics, in the process. That's where Jim the electronics guru comes
>> in. We hope to create a well-hidden, track-powered electronics package that
>> provides smooth, constant LED interior lighting. The goal is for the LEDs
>> to stay lit for as long as possible; perhaps 15-30 minutes. I also need to
>> thank Ken Miller for a floorplan blueprint, and Matt Goodman & Abe Burnett
>> for their support, advice, and reference pictures.
>>
>> This 3d render view shows the model as it is approaching completion. I am
>> debating the value of adding cross walls behind the cupola seats on which I
>> can mount the air brake valve and air brake gauge. I'm not sure how visible
>> they will be when added, which will determine my interest.  I also need to
>> add handrails up into the cupola from below, as well as the handrail that
>> was mounted near the ceiling and ran lengthwise in the car for holding one
>> when climbing down. This is where Abe hit his head often in the dark, and I
>> posit this may be the cause of his talking about turnips in so many emails.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> when printed, it fits inside the brass car body, replacing the cross
>> struts that the underbody mounts to.
>> THESE WONT WORK WITH OVERLAND  - for now, I may get around to that, as I
>> have a couple. But they are painted, so I am less interested in mucking
>> around with them and having to repaint.
>> [image: image.png]
>> This is a damaged test car, which allowed me to desolder the brackets
>> without fear of ruining a good model. I will probably fix this one
>> eventually, too. You can see below that they used a ton of solder when
>> assembling the car. Even my desoldering copper wick couldn't get it all
>> cleaned up very well, so I just ground it out with a tungsten carbide
>> carving bit in my Dremel. The solder comes away quickly and it's easy to
>> stop at the brass. I did overheat one corner of the car while grinding away
>> blobs of solder in the interior corners and the corner came de-soldered. I
>> will have to be aware of this on future cars and remember to use a damp
>> towel to keep the car cool when grinding.
>> [image: image.png]
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Here's an example of the progression of test prints. the one on right is
>> prior to modeling all the bunks.
>> The interior on the left is before Abe told me he never saw a cab in this
>> configuration (hey, I built it to the blueprints Ken Miller sent me!) Turns
>> out the blueprints we started with were for pre-1924 cars, so there went
>> another evening of modifications. There are not yet lanterns modeled. there
>> were two kerosene lanterns; one over the sink and one on the opposite end
>> of the cab, on the opposite car side, but it was attached to the cupola
>> seat wall, not the cabin outer wall.
>> The cab on the top.... well that's a whole new interior to make.
>> Hopefully, I will be better/more efficient by the time I get to these cars.
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> The three painted cabs are AMB kits, and Matt has a couple of his AMB's
>> built with removable floors, so I am also going to make some kits for AMB
>> that will not include walls or floors, and will just include seats and
>> bunks and kitchen, so you can glue them in as individual pieces.
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> So that's where things stand. This is going slowly. I hope to have this
>> whole project wrapped up within the next 3 months (paint included). I only
>> work on it a handful of hours each week.
>> When I get this done, I may be ready to start on M1.
>>
>> Mike Rector
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 7:13 AM NW Modeling List <
>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike:
>>>
>>> I’d also be interested in at least one for myself.  Thanks,
>>>
>>> George Weber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> *On Behalf
>>> Of *NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 3, 2024 8:32 PM
>>> *To:* 'NW Modeling List' <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> *Cc:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> *Subject:* RE: N&W RPOs M1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’d be interested in one for myself. Phil Miller From: NW-Modeling-List
>>> On Behalf Of NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List Sent: Saturday, August
>>> 3, 2024 3:05 PM To: NW Modeling List Cc: NW Modeling
>>>
>>> sophospsmartbannerend
>>>
>>> I’d be interested in one for myself.
>>>
>>> Phil Miller
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Of *NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 3, 2024 3:05 PM
>>> *To:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> *Cc:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: N&W RPOs M1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike, We talked about these before. I'll still take 3 when/if you get
>>> them going.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger Huber
>>>
>>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 01:57:11 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <
>>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is amazing, if you ever make that I'm in.
>>>
>>> David Baker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 8:45 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhsorg
>>> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A few of you know, this is on my short list to 3d model and print. I did
>>> complete the car side last year, and decided I would prefer to make a
>>> complete car rather than attach a car side to an inaccurate donor core. I
>>> sort of stopped because I wasn't sure how to model the complex curves of
>>> the roof ends, but that has been resolved. If you can be patient, maybe I
>>> can knock it out after I finish my major caboose project. (painting and
>>> detailing a bunch of brass CF/CH/C3 cabins)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did a couple test prints, but didn't support it well enough which led
>>> to the close corner warping that you see below.
>>>
>>> However, you can see that it prints very well overall, and with better
>>> supports this would be a non-issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Rector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 11:27 AM NW Modeling List <
>>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll poke around for M70 kits. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a
>>> real model but a stand-in must do for some equipment you can't really buy
>>> as it's too rare. Lol if anyone wants to get rid of one ... I've got some
>>> K1s and K2s that would be happy to pull them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've leaned enough through the society to try and get a better balance
>>> of mail/storage vs. express.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Baker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 8:07 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> If a stand-in will do, you might watch E-bay for a Walthers 7831.  It
>>> was an M1, but the lapse of 60 or so years has rendered it "crude" by
>>> today's standards.
>>>
>>> Jim Cochran
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 7:22 AM NW Modeling List <
>>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info. Only done in brass probably means it would take ten
>>> years to even find one, hmmm it looks a bit like the PRR M70. Perhaps I'll
>>> use that as a a stand in.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> David Baker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2024, 7:09 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The M1 has been dine in brass.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 09:32:12 PM EDT, NW Modeling List <
>>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Society,
>>>
>>> Were there any N&W RPOs done in HO? Specifically the M1 or something
>>> that was not a combination RPO?
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing the knowledge,
>>>
>>> David Baker
>>>
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