inside of black coal hoppers

Tue May 23 16:11:15 EDT 2023

Thanks Ken!

Unless I missed something, I don't see anything there that addresses the interior surfaces of open top cars.

I would gather from these specific instructions that the interior surfaces were not painted. (At least not repainted)

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>From N&W Specification No. 900-N, dated September 7, 1961
Specification for Painting Freight Cars

Section III - Hopper Cars - New
The exterior of the car including the slope sheets and the under frame with the exception of the trucks shall be coated with direct-to-metal freight car black paint which shall be not less than 4.0 mils in thickness when dry. The trucks shall be painted as specified in section II.

Section VII - Repainting all open top cars
The repainting of open top cars shall be done as follows:

(a) All loose paint, dirt, scale, grease, etc., shall be throughly removed prior to repainting.

(b) Any exposed bare metal shall be throughly cleaned and primed with Zinc Chromate Primer prior to application of the freight car black paint.

(c) The exterior of the sides and ends of the car shall receive one (1) coat of freight car black paint.

(d) Stencilling on the exterior of the car shall be applied by pouncing with one of the approved stencil paints in section I.

Info from the archives, Hollinger Box 1084.13

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Ken Miller

> On May 23, 2023, at 8:20 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> Mike, here’s another reference of coal hopper interiors. This is a screen grab from one of the N&W company movies that was recently restored.
>
> Matt Goodman
> Columbus, Ohio, US
>
> <Weathering Hoppwer ROW.jpeg>
>
>> On May 20, 2023, at 3:36 PM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> I use this and a couple other photos for reference. The cars in the foreground look like they’ve been in ore service for awhile, but those in the middle track look like they were recently hauling coal.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> <1a34826u-1.jpg>
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>>> On May 20, 2023, at 7:12 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>>> Here’s a photo I found that shows one of the Top Gon cars. I believe the interior is coated in coal dust.
>>> R.6de540d2cafc77c361e95c9d68aca9d3 (800×533) (bing.com)
>>> Here’s the source of this photo and many others: Tony Sissons DetailFoto | Coal Hopper Details (zenfolio.com)
>>> Phil Miller
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>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> I couldn't find my photos of N&W hopper interiors but here's what some WM hoppers looked like in service. I have pictures of them being painted and it seems only the exteriors were painted. Yes, the coal & other commodities hauled would wear off any paint. Hope this helps some.
>>>
>>> Roger Huber
>>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 04:00:08 PM CDT, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>>>
>>> I presume that coal hoppers weren't painted inside.  I figure the paint would wear off with the abrasiveness of coal.  I would like to know if the inside was rusty or if the coal polished the rust off also.  Were they shiny silver inside or rusty colored after a few years of use?
>>> Thank you,
>>> Mike Shockley
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