EXTERNAL: Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)

Sat Oct 26 11:03:19 EDT 2019

Ken:

No worries, Ken, and I appreciate the info.  When I can source well-researched and executed decals on the open market, I always buy from those sources—it’s my attempt to acknowledge their sweat equity in a good cause.

Best,

-Eric

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Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)

Not trying to mess you up Eric. But the Society offers N&W’s only actual drumhead sign, the Powhatan Arrow on Shellscale Set HO123 or N123 available in the commissary has the tail sign done from original drawings. The sign itself is pretty small, I’ve seen one of the originals here in Roanoke some years back. They are definitely not very big, not as big as many I had seen.

Best
Ken Miller

On Oct 25, 2019, at 1:59 PM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:

Good grief, this is pitiful!

I’ve been making custom decal artwork for the past two years, using Highball Graphics’ printing services.  I’ve attached the artwork that I have done for various logos.  Among these are tail signs for the New Haven’s Flying Yankee (lower right corner) and for the C&O’s The George Washington (about 3” above the Flying Yankee.  The former artwork was translated from an original NH color poster for the train, while the latter is a vectorized rendering of the same portrait of Geo that the C&O used, and looks like an authentic painting when reduced to the correct tail sign size in anything up to O-scale.  [Also included on this sheet are dining car place settings in PRR, NH, and MKT china patterns, some “bulkhead murals” for passenger car interiors, anti-macassars for car seatbacks, and a first attempt at “stained glass” windows for a trolley car project, a small section of “linoleum” flooring for some HWT NH MU cars, plus a few “builder’s plates” that I have done.  I always try to research the builder’s number and date for the specific loco road number I’m trying to represent, since those numbers are readable in the HO scale builder’s plate decals.]  I can honestly say that I have a lot more fun with unpainted brass than painted!

If somebody can provide N&W tail sign images (any/all N&W trains), sizes, and color specs (RGB or CMYK specs would be easy to respond to), I will make up appropriate decal artwork and have Highball print it in whatever scales there is demand for, and ask for enough money per “set” to pay for the printing and shipping charges (probably $2 to $3 per “set”).  By “set”, I mean one decal of each tail sign we can find solid evidence for in one scale of your choice.  I’d want orders for 20 or more sets to commit to the printing.

-Eric Bott

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Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)

I have enclosed the drumhead on the Arrow tavern car. Hope this can help. It along with a lot of stuff N&W on the VA Tech Imagebase.
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Subject: Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)
Attached is the tail sign for The Pocahontas offered by Tomar Industries.  Like The Cavalier drumhead that they sell, it looks like something drawn with a crayon by a pre-schooler.

Bill King
Arlington, Virginia

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Subject: Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)
To follow my comments and Jim’s below.

I’ve seen photos with the Memphis Special (predecessor to the Tennessean) with a tail sign (drumheads, by nature are round) that was a box shape, and the Tennessean had some round end cars with a tail sign (I believe) but they did not come through Roanoke to my knowledge. the last Pocahontas out of Roanoke carried a painted wooden sign on the platform car, and as mentioned, the Arrow had built in tail signs on the round-end cars.

I have seen a purported tail sign for the Pocahontas for sale some years back, but honestly believe it was a railfan fantasy item, not an authentic piece.

Ken Miller

On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:49 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:

The only drumhead I ever saw on an N&W train was on the 1949 Powhatan Arrow.

Jim Nichols

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 05:36:36 AM CDT, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:

I'm trying to model N&W's passenger train, The Cavalier.  In real life, it always ran a poor third compared to The Powhatan Arrow and The Pocahontas.  I guess that's why it interests me so much.  But information about it is very hard to come by.

I've found a company (Tomar Industries) on-line that makes Drumheads (or rear passenger car tail logos) of passenger trains.  The rear tail sign for The Cavalier that they offer is so unbelievably crude and childish that I can't believe it was actually used on an N&W passenger train.  I've attached a copy of the logo that they offer for everyone to inspect.

I have two questions that I need answers to: Is the Cavalier drumhead offered by Tomar Industries the actual logo that N&W used?  And, if not, what did the real Cavalier drumhead look like?

Bill King
Arlington, Virginia
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