EXTERNAL: Re: 6 wheel trucks

NW Modeling List nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Fri Nov 23 16:34:59 EST 2018

Forgot something: senility isn't for the faint of heard.

One of our guys who's very good at 3D printing did the design work for
a model of the C&O gon and sent the design to Shapeways.  He had them
do one.  The regular price for one would have been about $150, and I
believe Shapeways has raised their prices since then.

Frank Bongiovanni

On 11/23/18, Frank Bongiovanni <fbongiovanni at gmail.com> wrote:
> A few years ago three of us started on an article on the battleship
> gons of the the three Pochahontas roads.  It started to swell into a
> book that no one wanted to publish, even POD, so we're taking it back
> to an article or a short series, and Ken has even expressed mild
> interest.  So without giving the whole thing away (LOL)
> We thought there would be about six battleship gon types.  Over the
> three roads, and two other one-offs, we identified over a dozen prior
> to 1960.  N&W had about 6 (without digging for the Dow book),
> Virginian had 6, C&O had one.  The one-offs and rebuilds make the
> numbers kind of fuzzy depending how you count.
> Getting away from the gons, N&W had at least two (I hope)somewhat
> experimental 100 ton hoppers, both with six wheel trucks, and PRR had
> one.  It appears that these were  annoying in most service, so the
> larger size gons and hoppers didn't progress for a while.
> Modeling: there have been a few models of the Virginian cars, of
> varying accuracy and quality.  Westerfield did a wonderful GKa, and
> I'm not sure if the new owners have rerun it or intend to.   I'm not
> sure what's more difficult: finding the kit, or finding one that has
> been well put together.
> The Red Ball and Concept Models battleship gons are probably best
> ignored, IMHO.  They aren't right for anything, but maybe can be
> bashed.
> Frank Bongiovanni
> On 11/23/18, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> Ken:
>> I agree that the Dow book covered the N&W battleship.  I recall that it
>> also
>> covered a C&O and a PRR battleship, where I'm using "battleship" to cover
>> any gon with 100t or higher capacity and 6-wheel, plain journal trucks.
>> (The latter eliminates the modern 100t+ gons from consideration.)
>> Didn't Westerfield do the N&W battleship?  If so, even at $50+ per kit,
>> that
>> would have to be a FAR better option than going through the agony of
>> developing a 3D model and having a bespoke printing done.  I doubt that a
>> printing service would charge less than $50 per car anyway, even if it
>> was
>> done as a "flat kit".
>> -Eric Bott
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>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: 6 wheel trucks
>> Jeff
>> N&W built a one of a kind experimental hopper:
>> http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=25241
>> Perhaps that is what you were thinking of. I found no reference to an
>> article in the index search, however, I believe that Andrew Dow covered
>> it
>> in his book.
>> Regarding the 3-D printing, there is truly some excellent work being done
>> on
>> those type of things. In going to shows in the last year, I saw some
>> beautiful work done on ET&WNC cars, and wondered the same thing. It takes
>> someone to develop the drawings for such, which has to be a labor of love
>> for someone to do.
>> Since this is closer to a modeling subject, I am also copying it to the
>> modeling list
>> Ken Miller
>>> On Nov 23, 2018, at 3:48 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Recent discussions with a friend on the VGN battleship gondola brought
>>> to
>>> memory of a 6 wheel hopper I thought was VGN, but could also be N&W.
>>> There were either photos or drawings in the ARROW, which I have gone
>>> through and found the VGN car, but not the style I am remembering.
>>> A friend of mine had his father cut the shape out of wood some years
>>> ago.
>>> I got 6 wheel trucks for them, but never finished them.
>>> Does anyone know or remember these cars, and where the drawing/photo
>>> was?
>>> I know with all the talk of the manufacturers closing down, and really
>>> putting the squeeze on available models, has anyone considered 3D
>>> printing?
>>> I have quite a few hoppers, excavators, front end loaders ect that were
>>> 3D
>>> printed. I know they are not perfect and need extra attention, but after
>>> putting micro-train trucks under them, they look quite nice and work
>>> fine.
>>> 3D printing could offer unlimited items to manufacture, that otherwise
>>> would never be made except for scratch building.
>>> PS in the March/April 2006 issue of the ARROW, mine came with 2 front
>>> covers, so if your issue is missing its front cover, I have it.
>>> Jeff Wood
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