J 602 booster engine

Tue Mar 14 08:34:09 EDT 2017

Dave:

I was, indeed, looking at the ’82 edition.  I’ll go back to work on the ’53.

Thank you!

-Eric Bott

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Eric:

I was a little surprised to see your negative reaction to Prof. Hay's text, as I have found it to give a good treatment on locomotive performance calculations.  I thought perhaps you might have been looking at his later edition, which deleted most of the steam locomotive material.  That's the 1982 edition.  The 1953 edition that Dave Stephenson recommends is the one to get if you are concentrating on steam power.  Having owned the 1982 edition for years,  I snapped up the first eBay listing of the 1953 edition I saw when I needed more information for an analysis I was doing.  I recommend both editions highly.

Regards,

Dave Phelps

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Dave:

Thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions!  I managed to snag a copy of Bruce at a Boeing Model Railroad Club swap meet the next day, and this morning found a good copy of Johnson on eBay.  I’ll start on the former this evening, and eagerly await the latter.

The Hay seems more about right-of-way design (location, operation, maintenance, construction), with treatment of locomotive performance requirements that arise from right-of-way design.  I will hold off on that until I see it at a good price.

Thank you again!

-Eric Bott

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Eric,

Here are some book that will give you an idea how steam locomotives were designed in the U.S>

1. The Steam Locomotive, Ralph Johnson, Chief engineer, Baldwin Locomotive Works, 1st (1942) or 2nd (1944) editions.  Available used.  This book is about the best single source for a description of all the design considerations.  It's technical, full of tables and formulas.  If you can only get one book, this is the one, IMO.  The NWHS archives has the first edition.

2. The Steam Locomotive in America, Alfred W. Bruce, Chief Engineer, Alco, 1952  Available used.  Considerably less technical than #1, but very worthwhile for a broad coverage of all American steam locos.  Archives has this one too.

3.  Railroad Engineering, W. W. Hay, 1953.  This book covers locomotives plus all engineering aspects of building and operating a railroad.  It's considered a generally accepted text on the subject.  Watch the price on this one, Used can be reasonable or sky-high.  Archives has this one, IIRC.

Needless to day, there are many others, but these focus about the best of any without getting way too far into the nitty-gritty.  I have all these books here if you want to get into more detail.

Jimmy Lisle has considerable knowledge of the ICS series which includes a lot of technical information regarding design, construction and operation of steam locos.  The archives has many of these books, but they have not been cataloged.  However, they are on the library shelves for reference.  He can cover what's in them much better than I can.

Dave Stephenson

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Hi Dave:

No hurry, and I appreciate your willingness to look as time permits.  I’ve never been afraid to buy a book or ten, so no worries on that count!

Best,

-Eric Bott

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Eric,

I have some sources that may be helpful.  At them moment, my schedule is very fractured, but I'll try to get something together.  You're asking the same questions that I asked years ago and I found some good sources and answers.  Unfortunately they may be out-of-print-books but I'll see what I can do. The used book market is sometimes very useful, but don't pay collectors' prices (read HIGH) too readily..

Dave Stephenson

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Jimmy:

Thank you for posting the link to the C-2 Booster treatise.  Very interesting!

Does anybody know of any boiler design references or formula guidelines that the later US steam designers?  I'd be interested in N&W's especially, but any of Paul Kiefer's (NYC) or Altoona Works' (PRR) later design guidelines would be fascinating!  I'm specifically interested in these people's thinking about ratio of flue length to diameter, ratio of tube dia to flue dia, single-pass vs multi-pass superheater configurations, combustion chamber length considerations, etc.

-Eric Bott

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On 3/8/2017 12:58 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:

> For modeling purposes, was there anything visible on 602 with regard
> to the booster that I could effectively represent in HO scale on my
> model of that locomotive?

Brent,
    Use the following links from the N&W Archives to find what you want about the booster on the Class J:

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=27626

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=27625

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/selectdocs.php?index=RS&id=182&Searchword=Booster

    To learn more about the booster engine operated use the following link. It is a bvig file so wait for it to load:

http://www.icsarchive.org/icsarchive-org/bb/ics_bb_506_section_2355_type_c-2_locomotive_booster.pdf

Jimmy Lisle
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