Boxcar roofs

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Sat Apr 11 23:58:25 EDT 2015

I agree with Jim Nichols; I've never seen a photo of a steam-era N&W boxcar with black roof or ends; I've never read a painting specification for boxcars that called out either black paint or some type of sealer (asphaltum) for boxcars. 
Jim Brewer 

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To: "Edwin Painter" <edwinpainter at>, "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at> 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 6:16:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Boxcar roofs 

I have never had any reason to believe N&W ever painted box car roofs or ends black - especially the B1's. Also, I can't recall ever seeing one painted that way, and I overlooked the middle yard in Bluefield daily from  1946 to 1953, and periodically after that. They did eventually have some galvanized box car roofs that didn't get painted the body color, and eventually during the NW period, the whole box car might be black, but the B1's were probably gone by then. 

Jim Nichols  

On Saturday, April 11, 2015 10:54 AM, Edwin Painter <edwinpainter at> wrote: 

I have never seen pictures of painting diagrams (or models.......not to be considered a source of accuracy though) of N&W boxcars painted with black ends of roofs.  However many older pictures are in B&W and may hide that kind of paint detail.  Rev. Nichols, Harold Davenport, or Jim Brewer and further enlightenment? 

Ed Painter Narrows, VA living in North Georgia 

On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:49 AM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List < nw-modeling-list at > wrote: 

Did the N&W ever paint their boxcar roofs and ends black? Many railroads used a freight car coating on ends and roofs for protection. 
I'm specifically wondering about class B1 round roof cars. 
Just purchased a Lionel B1 boxcar in O 3 Rail which I plan to convert to 2 Rail. It's not a bad model for the price and appears to be scale. 
I will have to use a standard Bettendorf truck as it doesn't appear that the proper coil/elliptical spring ones are available in O scale. 
Maybe I'll have it done for the Marion convention! 
Jim Kehn    
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