Virginian AG

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Alex: I will submit a revue when one is written so I know whether to
purchase to model. The Society was offered a chance to review it and choose
not to. OH WELL?

Stephen Rineair


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Subject: RE: Virginian AG


Roger Huber, Stephen Rineair, Jimmy Lisle,


Each of you have expressed an opinion on what you expect to see in a model
review, but you expect someone else to do the work in providing it. When can
the NWHS expect to see your write-up, as you follow your guidelines and
expectations on the models you review? Please submit you reviews to
meditor at  


Alex Schust


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Subject: Re: Virginian AG


I have to agree with Jimmy's points. I would prefer to make my own decision
as to whether a new model is close enough for me or not and not have someone
else decide I don't have the right to make up my own mind. I have a lot of
brass models as well as other models. I don't think any of them is 100%
correct for what they are supposed to be. Does that mean I shouldn't have
purchased them? Should I have been denied the opportunity to be informed of
the good and bad details or areas of those models? I would prefer to be
educated as to the finer points of models rather than denied any
knowledgeable input from "experts" on the group. The choice to buy or not is
up to me and I'd appreciate a trained eye to guide my decision.


I have worked with and tried to work with several manufacturers and
importers over the years. Sometimes they accept input and other times they
turn a blind eye to help. I feel like that's their right. I also feel like
we need to decide to not spend our hobby dollars on a poor or incorrect
product if we so choose. The dollar rules and the manufacturers will notice
and hopefully pay attention next time.


Personal feelings getting hurt because help was offered and denied is a
personal problem and one's hurt feelings shouldn't prevent a critical review
from being presented to the group or Society members and is more of a
problem than an inaccurate model. If a manufacturer is offended by a
critical review after denying help or information then so be it! Maybe you
should accept outside input and maybe get a rave review that helps you
recoup your investment. Pay attention to the folks who have the information.


Personally, the AG looks great to me. I found the tender a bigger factor
than the domes. Some folks demand 100% accuracy but that's what makes this
all so much fun! Lot's of modelers run Rivarossi 4-6-6-4's as Western
Maryland M-2's. Beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder. Before the
horde of N&W J models hit the market years ago I had a friend who ran 2
Lionel HO SP GS-4's painted like the J. Whatever works for you is ok.


Just my 2¢


Roger Huber

Deer Creek Locomotive Works


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Subject: Re: Virginian AG

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Date: Saturday, September 20, 2014, 6:38 AM








     "When the

model came out

            Rivarossi/Hornby asked the Society to  give our blessings on

           the model and review the model in the  "Arrow".  We refused,

           telling the person who made the inquiry that there  were too

           many incorrect details on their model for the  Society to





     Did Rivarossi/Hornby actually ask for  "blessings"?




     "One of the major points is that each of us  must find his or

         her own threshold of tolerance; that threshold will  vary as an

         individual decides what is "good enough"

that he is satisfied,

         or at least not offended, by what he sees in his  basement."




     Is it in the members best interests to  refuse

     reviewing N&W/VGN models? Would it not be better to  give an

     unbiased review to 1.) inform the membership what is  available, 2.)

     Point out the pluses/minuses, and then, let the  member

           decide if the model is right for  them?




     Jimmy Lisle







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