Virginian AG

Thu Sep 18 19:02:17 EDT 2014

Frank,

I agree with you that each of us needs to find his or her own version of
what is good enough.  BTW, I just checked my Key VGN AG and it has incorrect
domes.  When I bought it many years ago I didn't know this.  Does it bother
me now that I know better.  No, I got a nice looking locomotive at a good
price to use as a VGN AG.  Would I buy the same model at today's prices now
that Rivarossi has come out with an AG.  I'm not sure.   

Don Marrow

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Frank,

The only Key that might me correct would be a Benchmark Series and I don't
think they did the AG in that Series.

The others that I owned had the wider C&O style dome with 4 hatches.

Don

On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:03 PM, NW Modeling List <
<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Don: I am told, but I haven't put the scale rule onto one, that the Key
brass AG also has the correct domes.  Brown Book III calls the Overland the
first one with correct domes, but I'm reasonably certain that the Key AG
came out later.  I think John Glaab is specifically referring to the C&O
H-8s that had the boxes labeled as VGN AG's.  

Steve, Harold, et al;

I do a clinic called Philosophy, Science Fiction, and Model Railroading.
One of the major points is that each of us must find his or her own
threshold of tolerance; that threshold will vary as an individual decides
what is "good enough" that he is satisfied, or at least not offended, by
what he sees in his basement.  And this will also vary with locomotives,
structures, scenery, etc.  An individual may be comfortable with selective
compression in a building, but not in a locomotive.  

As we have been discussing at length on the Virginian list, there are people
who will be happy with the Rivarossi AG, and don't know or don't care about
the domes, or can fix the domes, can't see the stoker, don't mind the
swiveling rear engine.  There are people that are greatly offended by one or
more of these.  There are people who will argue about the right color of
Tuscan red, but don't mind an early Athearn hood being a foot too wide.  One
of my buds spends a lot of time on brake gear and underbody detail; one of
my other friends says "I don't run them upside down".  The MTH VGN triplex
almost makes me physically ill--wrong boiler fixings, wrong tender, wrong
wheel arrangement, and wrong driver size.  I know a fine modeler who is
quite happy with his.  

There's room in this hobby for all of us, and I will not put down someone
else's choices.   We who try to add to the conversation mostly try to put
out the most correct information we can get, and let each individual decide
how far they want to go on their own layouts.  

Harold Davenport and I (half the Society Modeling Committee)recommended that
the Society not carry the Rivarossi AG; for several reasons in addition to
the inaccuracies.  If Rivarossi sells a bunch, and that increases interest
in the Virginian and results in more accurate or semi-accurate Virginian
models in the future (please: no more silver 4 bay hoppers, and no more blue
and yellow ELC's, C430's, or cabeese!!)more power to them and to us.  This
is part of the reason I and others defended the MR series on that little
Virginian project layout a few years back.  On a related now, there is a
museum that I'm told is building that little layout and stocking it with
Virginian rolling stock; stay tuned.  

And as I said a year ago, I'm waiting for the article from someone who
fabricates the right domes for the Rivarossi model (and maybe uses them on
an old Akane--BTW, you can get an Akane 2-6-6-6- for less than the "list"
for the Rivarossi now, and the rear engine doesn't swivel). 

Frank Bongiovanni

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:48 PM, NW Modeling List <
<mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

No wonder they did not rework the domes because of the DCC access. Majority
of modelers would not know the difference in the sand domes. If MTH can sell
the VGN triplex with the wrong boiler and wheel arrangement. Then the Hornby
VGN AG should be an easier sell.
Stephen Rineair

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The domes give access to the DCC, you don't need to dissassemble the engine
to add DCC. Filling them in is not recommended, but to work the new domes
the same way.
If you make some kind of notching fit, maybe dashes of Walthers goo will
hold them in place and yet you could remove them fairly easily if you need
access, then just goo them back, unless you can make a reasonably good press
fit snugly. MY new BLI 4-4-4-4 tender has no screws for the shell, they snug
pressed the shell on, that had me going for a short trying to find out how
to remove the shell....oh DUH!!!

-Lynn-

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> Lynn
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> You say the domes pop off on the model. Is there a big hole to fill?
> The reason I am asking is that I am presently involved in changing the
> domes on a Bachmann C&O H-4. It involves debonding the present domes  and
then
> filling in a large hole with styrene and putty. It's a pain! New domes
will
> be from masters made by the 3D process and then cast in resin.  This whole
> process involves disassembling the boiler, cab, etc. If the  AG can be
> worked on and domes replaced without all this
> disassembly it may be a very easy conversion to make if someone  can make
> the drawings and have the domes made by  Shapeways.
>
> Jim Kehn
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/2014 10:18:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  writes:
>
> I poured  over some images, and I see the diffrerrences now, the
> Virginian Tender  sides are higher, the domes maybe a little narrower
> maybe slightly  longer.
> The domes pop off on the RR model, so maybe if you hit Precision  scale
> or other parts places you may get the correct dome.
> I don't  understand why they couldnt tool up for the domes, but it might
> mean  changing the entire boiler casting just for the piping, might be
> why they  didnt want to mod the domes.
> But the model community even some OEM  manufactures have done mod kits
> for other engines like a box cab for the  athearn hustler, the AG would
> need some piping and the domes  changed.
>
> -Lynn-

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