NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 4
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Thanks for the help Gary Great information.
Vince Liberty> From: nw-modeling-list-request at nwhs.org> Subject: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 4> To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:11:28 -0500> > Send NW-Modeling-List mailing list submissions to> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-modeling-list> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> nw-modeling-list-request at nwhs.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> nw-modeling-list-owner at nwhs.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of NW-Modeling-List digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. RE: Differant era's diesel paints (NW Modeling List)> 2. Diesel Tuscan Red (NW Modeling List)> 3. Re: Red Bird Red (NW Modeling List)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:01:21 -0500> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> Subject: RE: Differant era's diesel paints> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> Message-ID: <000b01c8699a$52050580$8cfcb94b at 071927350f>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Vince:> > > > The reference book you want to use is the "Norfolk And Western, Second> Generation Diesels book by Whithers and Bowers.> > > > Which says- in brief: > > > > The first diesels delivered were in basic black with 'steam' type lettering> on the RS-3's, GP-9's and RS-11's, with the Alco version of 'steam'> lettering quite different that that used by EMD. (There are no sources of> decals for this very unique lettering style.) This scheme lasted until late> 1958. and applied to early passenger GP-9's and all freight diesels.> > > > The second scheme was the GOTHIC herald scheme that was applied to freight> units in black paint. Here the 'Norfolk & Western " went to "NORFOLK AND> WESTERN" in a San Serif style lettering. Units still in all black.> Passenger units went to the "Red Bird" scheme in Tuscan Red and used Yellow> Gold lettering like the freight units. The Gothic Herald was applied to> the ends and the cab sides under the windows. Originally the heralds on the> ends were on disks of steel; then the decal was applied and wrapped around> the nose contours. > > > > After that the lettering style changed from full spelling the "N&W" and some> other variations. Many locomotives could be lettered in different styles at> the same time period. > > > > In December 1963, the gothic emblem was replaced by the "half moon"> herald.. Otherwise still black. > > > > In January 1966 the "Pevlar Blue" was applied and the full spelling> "Norfolk And Western" was used with the half-moon heralds. > > > > In 1971, the white "NW" was applied to black units. > > > > The Red Birds, went from the gothic herald to the half-moon but stayed in> Tuscan Red. Then they went to the blue in 1966. By the late 1960's most> had been re-assigned to freight service as the passenger train business> dropped off seriously. And in 1971, they went to the black and white NW> scheme. > > > > In the 1960's the old and new schemes could be seen on many locomotives.> > > > In 1978 SD-40 6175 and C30-7's 8010, 8076-8080, were delivered in Tuscan Red> with Yellow Gold lettering > > > > In December 1981, units were delivered in lack with Norfolk And Western> spelled out in white in lettering similar to that used in the early 1960's.> There were three GP-38AC's with this lettering in black on a white band> around the lower locomotive in a scheme similar to that used by the> Southern. > > > > There were many variations as applied to switchers and units that came over> in the mergers, such as the Wabash F units. The book gives useful details.> > > > > Gary Rolih> > Secretary N&WHS > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:45 PM> To: NW Modeling List> Subject: Differant era's> > > > I Want to know when they used the different heralds The NW Block, Hamburger> herald,Gothic Herald And also when Did they Use the Blue paint. I have Been> collecting the locomotives with Gothic But don't know the eras they used> them.> Thanks for your help Vince> > _____ > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more.> <http://biggestloser.msn.com/> > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/attachments/20080207/81806e62/attachment-0001.htm>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:39:53 -0500> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> Subject: Diesel Tuscan Red> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> Message-ID: <00d701c8699f$af5db650$8cfcb94b at 071927350f>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > We are thick headed dumb bunnies. We didn't even check the easy> reference..> > > > In the Norfolk And Western Second Generation Diesels book, there are a> number of painting diagrams included in the back in the Painting chapter.> Of course there is one for the Passenger GP in Tuscan Red. Which states:> > > > Tuscan Red Duco 282-93520 EMD number> 8268698 > > Imitation Yellow Duco 254-57170 EMD number> 8189372> > > > And so on.> > > > So, Steve Rineair, there is the correct color for your GP-9 Red Bird> Project. As we have noted, it will be too dark for a HO sized model, and> the metal flake powder is an issue ( add just silver paint?), but it is a> place to start.> > > > Gary Rolih> > Secretary N&WHS > > > > > > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: <http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/attachments/20080207/41310899/attachment.html>> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:05:13 +0000> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> Subject: Re: Red Bird Red> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> Message-ID:> <020720081605.10768.47AB2C39000D25F900002A102212059214C8CECDCE029D0A9B9C0A9902050401009D0102 at comcast.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Here is working redbird down at Spencer Shops in NC. Not sure how accurate she is but she is a beauty to watch.> > http://www.nctrans.org/exhibits/rail_equipment1.php> > --> Jon Kelley > norfolknwestern1218 at comcast.net> > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> > I have a picture on my desktop of 2 Redbirds in fairly new paint and good lighting conditions (for photography anyway - overcast). It is hosted on Railnet.com and the picture is copyrighted by John Dziobko. So I can only post a link to it. But I would suggest you take a look.> > http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=155360&nseq=0> > > Regards,> Mike Rector> > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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