N&W Pass Red.

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Tue Jan 23 19:57:51 EST 2007


When I joined the NWHS and went to the fist convention in Roanoke headed by Rick Stone, this same discussion come up. I wanted to be accurate as possible the 50's red. The discussion ended with the AHM/Riv. car as being very close. Before the '86 convention I had sent Scalecoat a AHM/Riv. N&W passenger car to make a quart of the N&W red. The paint come back from Scalecoat labled Scalecoat II PRR tuscan red . While attending the '86 convention again a group of "seasoned" modelers - Dean Freytag, Tom Dressler, Rick Stone and others brought the subject up again. This is when I brought out a model of my N&W Powhattan Arrow Tavern Lounge (Which went to the National NMRA Convention and took First Place and the Walthers Passenger Car award) and showed it Dean, Tom and the rest without telling them about the paint color.
They all thought that the color was very close, so I then confided that I had Scalecoat match the AHM/Riv. car and it turned out to be the Tuscan red. I have not changed color since, as the cars match Keys and Overland N&W red. This is the N&W color that these gentlemen told me that looked pretty close and I'm sticking to it.. I figured most of the gentlemen had seen the cars [ I being so so so much younger than they} would be my best resource. So Gary since your only 28 I recommend Scalecoat Tuscan Red.

Stephen Rineair

Stephen Rineair
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Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: RE: N&W Pass Red.

Okay, but say I/m 28 years old and only saw excursion Tuscan red passenger cars. I have a few color photos and have seen a few color movies. I am a grad student and have limited resources to obtain more color photographs. Yet I want to model the old N&W Powhatan Arrow and wish to paint the passenger cars in an appropriate color that is at least close to 'correct'. Telling me that there was significant variation in red may be factually correct, but doesn't answer the basic question which is , "How do I make a reasonably accurate Tuscan Red paint from model paint sources?"

What do you modelers use to make your Tuscan Red?

Gary Rolih



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Subject: Re: N&W Pass Red.

The correct color discussion has gone on and will go on for years. I have heard that at a Convention years ago, there were numerous color chips available and you were lucky to get more than 2 people to agree to any one color. In this case, as with any paint, you have to consider weathering, paint lot number, paint manufacturer, time of day photo was taken and lighting at time. You also have to consider type amd maker of the film used and the development process. I know one local modeler who painted a N&W passenger car under one type of light and when viewed outside in sunlight and under another light source, it took on a different appearence under each. Color is subjective. It is up to the individual and if he likes what he has, who cares. Even in photos of the real trains, there are subtle differences between cars. I don't know how true it is, but it has been said that aluminum chips were added to the paint prior to being used and it depended on what was used to add these chips. Some grabbed a handful, others two or a scoop. What ever was handy. Again don't know if this is true but I'm sure someone out there can clear that up. What ever was added if it was, would also alter the color osmewhat depending on how much was added. This last part is something I would welcome comment on just to get the recoed straight.
Alan Cox


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