Milepost differnces

Mon Nov 21 18:30:20 EST 2022

Jeff

List of Station and Sidings does not  correspond with actual  Mile Post  placement  or operations it’s for accounting proposes and may not correspond  to actual MP placement like a track chat would  Mile post are still where they were originally placed with the exception of realignments like Elkhorn, Tunnels and the Big Sandy Line   . Big Sandy Line still uses Na 0-NA58 mile post just like it has sense it was built .  And original main and remits of it  still uses the N prefix  form Norfolk as originally placed with the noted exceptions

Larry Evans   

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Jeff and all, I saved an earlier email from Abram Burnett about the Twelve Pole that may help. As he notes, some of this info comes from Tim Hensley. The copied text from that email follows (it should save Abram some typing). Matt Goodman. 

The so-called "Twelve Pole Line" is in that Wannabe Category for me.  It was part of the N&W's original Ohio Extension of 1891, and was lousy with  adverse grades and tunnels filled with smoke from slow-moving engines.  Both ends of the Twelve Pole (Naugatuck and Kenova) lie on what is now the Kenova District of the Scioto Division.  (The distance from Naugatuck to Ceredo/Kenova was between 70 and 80 miles, via the Twelve Pole... I do not ahve a Time Table.)

The old Twelve Pole grade was bypassed by the 59-mile long, low-grade Big Sandy line (the present line) in 1904, and  was thereafter abandoned in pieces.  The last portion left in service was the west end of the Twelve Pole, between Kenova and Wayne (and operated as the "Wayne Branch,") until the anti-coal lobby finally shut down the big mine at Wayne in 2015.

Here is a VERY well illustrated webpage on the Twelve Pole, done by non-railroad people:

https://abandonedonline.net/location/norfolk-western-railroad-twelvepole-line/

A large portion of the Twelve Pole right-of-way, including the tunnels, is now occupied by a highway, and several videos have been posted to YouTube, taken from an automobile moving over the highway which used-to-be a railroad.  If interested, search YouTube for the words Twelve Pole.

Dr. Frank Scheer of the Railway Mail Service Library in Boyce, Va, started this latest Twelve Pole enthusiasm by sending out a 1916 map of the N&W's coal field lines, and everyone had to go to Mr. Tim Hensley for in-depth answers, he being the world expert on the Twelve Pole.  (Some say Mr. Hensley was an original employee of the Twelve Pole, back in 1891... but who knows for sure.)

The somewhat curious name "Twelve Pole" derives from the Twelve Pole Creek which the railroad follows for much of its route, and which flows westerly and empties into the Ohio River at Ceredo (Kenova.)  It is said that the Twelve Pole Creek received its name at the time George Washington was conducting surveys, the word "pole" being a surveyor's unit of measurement equating to 1/320th of a mile, or 16.5 feet.  Check Wikipedia if you want more information on the Twelve Pole Creek, the origin of its name, and the George Washington story. 

For my little contribution to this discussion, I shall add a list of the Telegraph Office Calls for the stations on the Twelve Pole, east to west.  The Hon. Mr. James Blackstock, Grand-Duke-by-Heredity of the Lynchburg & Durham RR, pulled me out of the ditch a few years back, when I was unable to complete this list, and my hat is off to him in this, and for so many other helps over the years.

Naugatuck NS

Lenore BQ

Canterbury CY

Hale DT

Dingess HM

Trace UA

Breeden GU

Wilsondale WI, WA, WX (at different times)

Doane DN

Dunlow DQ

Radnor GW

Coleman CO

Wayne MI

Ardel AD

Lavalette (DS, later DT)

Buffalo Creek BC

Ceredo PU

Where would we be without the aid of the good friends who have helped us and inspired us over the years?  As the ancient Proverb has it:  Iron sharpeneth iron, so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

 -- abram burnett

Descendant of the Scottish Clan MacTurnip

Matt Goodman

Columbus, Ohio

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On Nov 21, 2022, at 1:20 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> > wrote:

 There is a local historian Tim Hensley you might email who is an expert on that area of track. You might email him and ask. He is truly a walking encyclopedia.

Larry Reed

His email is…

caseyatkenova at aol.com <mailto:caseyatkenova at aol.com> 

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On Monday, November 21, 2022, 6:23 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> > wrote:

Are you familiar with the old twelve pole line that branched off at Lenore WV and went to the top of the mountain at Dingus, through the mile long tunnel going down through Wayne and onto Kenova? They retired that segment and opened the River grade running from Naugatuck WV along to Kenova WV. Shorter and river grade going toward Portsmouth Ohio.

I heard that George Washington surveyed the twelve pole line but am now certain of that being true.

Larry Reed

An old and more current picture of the tunnel at Dingus WV

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On Sunday, November 20, 2022, 9:43 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> > wrote:

I am confused on the milepost for Kenova to Portsmouth. I did a 6 year listing of stations and sidings for this line, August 1964-December 1964, 1966, 1969, 1972, 1977. One example is Hanging Rock, Ohio. 1964 is MP 541.03. 1977 is MP 543.64. The 1950 track chart has Hanging Rock as MP 583. That is a 40 mile difference. 

An 1899 alignment chart has Hanging Rock as 583. Most of the drawings are 583.

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