NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 199, Issue 63
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Sat May 29 23:05:42 EDT 2021
As a youth since my grandfather Bob Cawley a Vi Conductor, was stationed in Mullens , from about seven years old I rode the Virginian cinder special every summer vacation and winter vacation at Christmas time off from school in Roanoke! it up to Mullins. But, after Mullins not west to the DB tower it’s really good to see what the Virginian looked like!
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> 1. N&W Neon Signs (NW Mailing List)
> 2. VGN Barriger Images - NEW LINK (NW Mailing List)
> 3. Re: VGN Images by Barriger Edited for Your Taking and Use
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> 4. Re: VGN Barriger Images - NEW LINK (NW Mailing List)
> 5. VGN Barriger Images (NW Mailing List)
> 6. RE: N&W Neon Signs (NW Mailing List)
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> Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 08:32:19 +0100
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: N&W Neon Signs
> Message-ID: <mailman.959.1622287931.2593027.nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> NHWS correspondence in 2008 shows that this subject raises its head now
> and then.
>
> "http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/Week-of-Mon-20080414/002742.html"
>
> When I addressed the matter of the Diesel Neon sign it was released to
> market six to nine months later. I had previously (like many others)
> written to Miller Engineering and sent the Railpictures photo of the
> diesel Neon sign sign to them. Together with my own dimensions of the
> mounting frames feet locations on the respective building roof - which
> incidentally can still be viewed (and measured) on Google Earth. The
> Neon signs footings (8) are on a grid of two rows by four approximately
> 18' deep by 40' width. I still have the files I sent Miller at the time.
>
> Unlike yourselves I never received a reply from Miller Eng' but saw via
> their next newsletter that the product had been released.
>
> "One thing about their earlier production of the 'NW' sign was it had
> red letters but a yellow border. From what I'd seen, the entire sign was
> red, no yellow. I don?t know if they would consider modifying it to all
> red like the signs, if that?s indeed what it was, it would be nice. I?d
> asked them about it back when, but they didn't seem pleased to have that
> point raised.
>
> Phil Miller"
>
> A mute point, I always thought it was all red, the photo I sent Miller
> seemed that way, perhaps there was some modelling interpretation here?
> Remember Miller prides itself in making Neon signs that are automated in
> their colour sequences and may therefore have decided to go interpret
> their own version in order to appeal to a wider market? Personally I
> would like this issue of colour confirmed as I am currently designing a
> Gauge 3 (64mm gauge 1:22.5 scale) version of the Diesel Neon sign and
> would like to get the details correct. My large scale version (like my
> *Roanoke Star*) is intended to use Electroluminescence Wire. As a by the
> way, does anybody know the cut-off date of the Steam to Diesel Neon sign
> changeover AND The colour pattern(s) of the Roanoke Star after September
> 12th 2011
>
>
> --
> Yours Sincerely.
>
> Robert 'Doddy' Sumsion
> Abingdon-on-Thames
> Oxfordshire
> United Kingdom
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> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: VGN Images by Barriger Edited for Your Taking and Use
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> Abe,
> Thanks for doing this. When I hit your link, I seem to only be able to
> access a single image. Is there a trick I am missing?.
> Jim Cochran
>
>> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:28 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> You may have seen the recent discussions about the VGN images held in the
>> John Barriger collection at the St Louis Mercantile Library. If you have
>> viewed them, you are aware that most of the negatives were scanned
>> wrong-side-up.
>>
>> I have been through those 130-some scans and have culled 101 negatives
>> which I deem worthy of keeping for my own collection. They have all now
>> been cleaned up in Photoshop and they are presently on Google Drive for
>> your taking at this link:
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XI-6845YDPD0ZWRTPJ0jkLnPezwwYHWd/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> In working with these images, it became apparent that Mr. Barriger wasn't
>> much of a photographer. It appears the camera salesman did not even show
>> him where the focus knob was on his camera ! It looks as though he made
>> his exposures without ever changing the focus or the apperture and shudder
>> speed. There is also a lot of motion-blur in his negatives. But despite
>> these shortcomings, they are priceless, for most everything he photographed
>> is now GONE.
>>
>> From the collection, I culled out duplicate or near-duplicate images,
>> negatives which were total wrecks because of exposure problems and those
>> with hopeless focus problems. I attempted to rectify exposure and contrast
>> problems with the negatives, and to touch out dost and scratches on the
>> negatives. In using the Photoshop sharpening tools to overcome the
>> bluriness of the images, some of the edges became a little "crunchy" but
>> that was just the trade-off to fix the problems. Also, I attempted to make
>> most of the crop sizes 4x6", but where those proportions would exclude
>> historical material, I adjusted the size of the crops to include more
>> subject matter. I will credit the St Louis Mercantile Library with
>> scanning the negatives at 600 pixels per inch, but, given what they were
>> working with, that effort was like putting a Jaguar engine on a bicycle.
>>
>> If you are able to use the cleaned up images, that shall be my recompense
>> for the labor.
>>
>> -- abram burnett
>> June is Turnip Awareness Month !
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> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: VGN Barriger Images - NEW LINK
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> Thank you so very much, Abram.
> It's nice to not see hoppers lettered for the NAINIGRIV.
> If you want to learn even more about the railroad west of Roanoke, please
> join us in Mullens some fall. Love to have you. (Still a master of
> subtlety).
>
> Frank Bongiovanni
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 9:18 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> There has been an apparent problem with access to the VGN Barriger images
>> I loaded on Google Drive last evening. Probably the result of placing a
>> space-age toy in the hands of an old geezer.
>>
>> So I re-loaded everything and here is a new link (which has been tested.)
>> Access is not restricted... anyone with the link can open and download the
>> images. 101 images, 41 megs.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uRoj7aDI3mKnaXqAVFTOtXEX3qlndQUZ?usp=sharing
>>
>> In doing this work, I realized how little I knew about the VGN west of
>> Kellysville, so received a real education by studying the satellite imagery
>> for locations represented in the various images. Given what the engineers
>> faced in the way of hostile terrain, they did an outstanding job in
>> locating the Right-of-Way. My hat is off to the Virginian... Long Live the
>> Virginian !
>>
>> Also, I learned that coal loading facilities in Appalachia are properly
>> called **tipples,** not breakers, not colleries. My thanks to Col. Hensley
>> for giving me this element of remedial education...
>>
>> -- abram burnett
>> No Mo' Turnips
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> Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 16:05:30 -0400
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Abram,
>
> Thank you for your editing job on these VGN images. I'm really enjoying
> not having to mentally reverse them (which I find nearly impossible).
>
> I believe N&W-VGN Xing VGN #005 still needs to be reversed. That's a
> great image.
>
> Thanks, John Garner. Newport VA
>
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> Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 19:07:09 -0400
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: "'NW Mailing List'" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: RE: N&W Neon Signs
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>> From what I found, the Roanoke Star is normally white, with red/white/blue colors used for special occasions.
>
> Here?s the source I found:
>
> Roanoke Star | Roanoke, VA (roanokeva.gov) <https://www.roanokeva.gov/1329/Roanoke-Star>
>
> The Roanoke Star - Roanoke Parks and Recreation (playroanoke.com) <https://www.playroanoke.com/the-roanoke-star/#:~:text=The%20Roanoke%20Star%20is%20currently%20white%20year-round%2C%20with,white%20and%20blue%20to%20demonstrate%20the%20region%E2%80%99s%20patriotism.>
>
>
>
> Regarding the N&W Shops sign, here?s a link to a photo from late 1968, that appears to be the steam era sign. Looks all red to me. I don?t know when it shifted to just ?NW? in the logo. Perhaps after 1971 when they shifted their paint scheme?
>
> RailPictures.Net Photo: NKP 759 Nickel Plate Road Steam 2-8-4 at Roanoke, Virginia by John Dziobko www.godfatherrails.com <https://railpictures.net/photo/344061/>
>
>
>
> This link shows the ?NW? sign in late 1986, in daytime. It again looks all red to me. I?m surprised the NS sign isn?t up on the building yet in this shot. I thought by 1986 it was up along with the NW sign. I?ll have to dig through my photos when I remember both signs being up.
>
> RailPictures.Net Photo: N <https://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=667113> &W 611 Norfolk Southern Steam 4-8-4 at Roanoke, Virginia by Steve Hutchison
>
>
>
> I agree that Miller may have taken some license on the design to make them more interesting to those he?s trying to sell to. I can?t blame him for that. I want to find some sort of clear or translucent red paint I could apply to the sign I got to make it all red.
>
>
>
> Phil Miller
>
>
>
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> Cc: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: N&W Neon Signs
>
>
>
> NHWS correspondence in 2008 shows that this subject raises its head now and then.
>
> <http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/Week-of-Mon-20080414/002742.html> "http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/Week-of-Mon-20080414/002742.html"
>
> When I addressed the matter of the Diesel Neon sign it was released to market six to nine months later. I had previously (like many others) written to Miller Engineering and sent the Railpictures photo of the diesel Neon sign sign to them. Together with my own dimensions of the mounting frames feet locations on the respective building roof - which incidentally can still be viewed (and measured) on Google Earth. The Neon signs footings (8) are on a grid of two rows by four approximately 18' deep by 40' width. I still have the files I sent Miller at the time.
>
> Unlike yourselves I never received a reply from Miller Eng' but saw via their next newsletter that the product had been released.
>
> "One thing about their earlier production of the 'NW' sign was it had red letters but a yellow border. From what I'd seen, the entire sign was red, no yellow. I don?t know if they would consider modifying it to all red like the signs, if that?s indeed what it was, it would be nice. I?d asked them about it back when, but they didn't seem pleased to have that point raised.
>
> Phil Miller"
>
> A mute point, I always thought it was all red, the photo I sent Miller seemed that way, perhaps there was some modelling interpretation here? Remember Miller prides itself in making Neon signs that are automated in their colour sequences and may therefore have decided to go interpret their own version in order to appeal to a wider market? Personally I would like this issue of colour confirmed as I am currently designing a Gauge 3 (64mm gauge 1:22.5 scale) version of the Diesel Neon sign and would like to get the details correct. My large scale version (like my Roanoke Star) is intended to use Electroluminescence Wire. As a by the way, does anybody know the cut-off date of the Steam to Diesel Neon sign changeover AND The colour pattern(s) of the Roanoke Star after September 12th 2011
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Yours Sincerely.
>
> Robert 'Doddy' Sumsion
> Abingdon-on-Thames
> Oxfordshire
> United Kingdom
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