Lightweight Coaches

Wed May 6 17:26:51 EDT 2020

I don't know the exact date but the steps on the Pm and P-1/2/3 class coaches were welded in place by 1962. I have photos of me boarding coach 501 on train 2's last trip to Hagerstown May 19, 1962 and it shows the stationary steps. The 3 S-2 sleepers kept their folding steps as far as know, probably because they were under lease to Pullman for operation until 12/31/1968. 

I am working on adding vestibule doors and traps for my Soho models as we speak. The easy part was cutting the pieces from brass. The doors will need to have windows opening cut out and then mounted in place which will be a little more difficult. I plan to replace the incorrect trucks that came on the models with 41-N-11 trucks with clasp brakes. 

--Rick Morrison

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  Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 1:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Lightweight Coaches

  The Soho brass models were labeled as 1001, the PM class, and 1009, the P3 class.  With the steps welded down and no skirts, they actually make great starting points for modeling the cars that went into excursion or business fleet service, although you would still have to replace the missing door.   

  Marty Flick

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  Subject: Re: Lightweight Coaches

  Roger:

  I think the following will answer your questions.

  As passenger service was winding down, there was a need for commuter cars in Chicago, so the oldest cars that would not have been refurbished or needed for the Pocahontas were converted by Roanoke Shops”

  1001 former PM Coach 1720, converted to commuter car, 04-09-1970
  1002 former PM Coach 1721, converted to commuter car, 04-23-1970
  1003 former PM Coach 1722, converted to commuter car, 02-11-1970
  1004 former PM Coach 1723, converted to commuter car, 03-12-1970
  1005 former PM Coach 1724, converted to commuter car,12-11-1969
  1006 former PM Coach 1730, converted to commuter car, 03-26-1970
  1007 former PM Coach 1732, converted to commuter car, 11-07-1969
  1008 former PM Coach 1734, converted to commuter car, 02-25-1970
  1009 former P3 Coach 537, converted to commuter car, 02-13-1975
  1010 former P3 Coach 534, converted to commuter car, 10-03-1979

  The 1009 was donated to Roanoke Chapter NRHS in fall of 1980, restored originally as a 70 seat open window coach for excursion service in 1983-84 and renumbered 537, restored to a/c coach about 1990. Just completed a full overhaul and renovation in 2014-2019, ready for service. See photo in the Arrow 35-4. When we received the 1009, it was really abused in and out, the windows, if you can call them that, were plexiglass that you could not see three feet outside, the seats had all been made as non-reclining, and the restrooms had been removed to add seats to bring it to either 80 or 82 seats.

  Many of the others survive, in some form or another, none, to my knowledge, in operating condition.

  The brass models, if I recall correctly, were 1009 and 1010, with open vestibules, as the cars had been removed for commuter service.

  Ken Miller

  > On May 4, 2020, at 10:30 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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  > The cars that went to Chicago commuter service were renumbered into the 1000 series. In HO scale SOHO made models of 1001 and 1009. Which cars were they in pre-merger days (1964)? They are sometimes listed as P-3 class for sale but I thought they were PM cars in the 1700 series. Anyone have better information that would help?
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  > Thanks! 
  > 
  > Roger Huber
  > Deer Creek Locomotive Works
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