Virginian PA locomotive speed

Sat Feb 8 12:19:24 EST 2020

"I'll take any N&W J any day over a T-1!
        Roger Huber"

Fully agree.Bill Demarest

    On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 11:59:25 AM EST, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  

 Emotions also carry in to stuff like this too. With that said concerning the Pennsy T-1 the PRRT&HS magazine The Keystone has had several articles on the T-1 and many interviews/comments from PRR Operating men concerning these legendary speeds. Naturally the emotional aspect shows up but nevertheless so many Enginemen have stated these amazing speeds and there have been Dispatcher's Sheets showing matching speeds with trains over their divisions so those must be accurate. 
As to "official speed runs" as Jerome stated they had to be set according to designated conditions to be equal. Sort of like the folks who seek entry into Ripley's. Specific, set conditions must be met to make things equal and fair.
While the PRR T-1 is far from my favorite steam locomotive I have to admire it's ability to move trains quicker than most engines. These articles mentioned also bring to light much of the denigration of the T-1's slipperiness. Basically they were extreme engines, purposely built for speed and hauling long trains. When improperly or poorly handled they were more than a handful but with a skilled Engineman could produce amazing performance. I think that can be said about most steamers.
I'll take any N&W J any day over a T-1!
Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works 

    On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 05:30:22 AM CST, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  

 Personal opinion:  Land speed records should be accepted only if standardizedconditions have been established in advance.  Example: records in track and fieldrequire an eight lane track; specified head wind / tail wind, etc.
The claim of 112.5 mph for NYC 999 is dubious; because of known factors ofboiler capacity and cylinder volume; also because observations were largely estimated.
The 'World Record' of 126 mph for Mallard is likewise dubious, because it was established on a downhill grade and documented by what some consider as a couple of 'blips' on thechart.
>From what I have read, the reported 140 mph for a T-1 is too poorly documented tobe accepted as fact.  But 'legends' seem to have a life of their own.
Jerome Crosson.  Formerly NJ; now NWHS residing in St. Peters MO.  Maybe I'll seeyou at NMRA 2020 in St. Louis.

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What’re your thoughts on the anecdotal reports of PRR T-1’s hitting the 140 mph mark west of Crestline, OH?
It’s been a while but I think the first time I read that might’ve been in Alvin Stauffer’s book on Pennsy Power.
Patrick WhalenRadnor, PA
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 5:07 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Thanks for the info. Wow. I didn’t think they could go that fast. -Phil Miller From: NW-Mailing-List [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 2:51 PM
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Subject: Re: Virginian PA locomotive speed With the 69” drivers and the cylinder dimensoins, the PA’s could be expected to cruise at 85 MPH range.  The N&W 100-series engines could be expected to run in the same range. The Js can’t be considered in comparison with ANY other steam locomotive.  They were so well designed including their counterbalancing that they could operate comfortably at driver RPMs in excess of 500 and could reach speeds in excess of that.   Remember that if a locomotive  operating a a speed equalling their driving wheel diameter, those wheels will be turning up 336 RPM.  There were many locomotives that could operate in the 400 RPM range.  There were others not comfortable at 336 (the Atlantic Coast Line’s 1800-series Northerns, for example). - Ed KingFrom: NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 12:13 PMTo: 'NW Mailing List' Cc: NW Mailing List Subject: Virginian PA locomotive speed Hello,I wondered if anyone can tell me how fast the Virginian PA passenger locomotives could or did run?  I’m wondering about their designed top speed and normal schedule running speed. I’m sure it’s slower than the N&W J’s but would they have been comparable to older N&W passenger engines? Phil Miller________________________________________
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