NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 182, Issue 30

Mon Jan 27 15:31:13 EST 2020

Ken
Is the new Arrow in the works ? I have read the current one I have 5 times
!!! Find something new each  time !!  So GOOD ..Other Ken (Tanner) 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Bill Gordon on Flickr (NW Mailing List)
   2. Re: CPL signals and how they operate (NW Mailing List)
   3. Re: CPL signals and how they operate (NW Mailing List)

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 09:03:12 -0500
From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Bill Gordon on Flickr
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List,

We discussed Bill Gordon?s superb photo collection on this list as recently
as this time last year, though (as Ken Miller noted at the time) he had
passed away almost two years ago. 

I took for granted that the photos would remain on Flickr, but when I
checked earlier this week, I found they have been taken down, although his
profile remains. Perhaps this was a result of the transition of Flickr from
Yahoo to SmugMug (I think) ownership. 

Does anyone have any information on where this collection may be re-hosted? 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

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> On Jan 31, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Matt Goodman <mgoodman312 at icloud.com> wrote:
> 

?This is almost certainly where I read the information then - thanks for
helping me out, Ken.  I posted one or two questions on his Flickr feed,
which he gladly answered.  It was nice to have had that connection, however
brief.

Matt Goodman
Columbus Ohio US

On Jan 31, 2019, at 7:41 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:

Matt:

This was posted on the list in April of last year:

William Griscom Coxe Gordon passed away on Thursday March 15 2018 after a
brief battle with cancer according to his family. He was 80 years old.

The NWHS family knew Bill for his masterful photography documenting many
eastern railroads, including an unsurpassed collection of Norfolk and
Western photos from the late steam, early diesel era. He shared his
extraordinary photos and memories generously for three years through his
Flickr account. To date there have been 3.6 million views of his photos. An
amazing statistic.

He worked as a steam power mechanical engineer after graduating from the
University of Virginia with a degree in mechanical engineering. He loved
railroading since watching the main line Baltimore & Ohio pass by his dad?s
business in Wilmington, Delaware as a kid. A subscription to "Trains"
magazine and scores of weekend trips across the backcountry of Virginia
cemented a lifelong love for the hobby. Between the years 1957 and 1962,
Gordon made dozens of trips across the Appalachian landscape capturing the
honest character of the region. He continued to pursue his passion for
photography even into recent years including 611 excursions.

His daughter?s words sum it up best ?He will surely be missed by many and in
our hearts always.?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/130647200@N05/albums

Ken Miller
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 7:20 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List
<nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> You probably read his descriptions, Gordon - but if you didn?t, please do
so. His knowledge of the railroad seems very deep, and his commentary about
photography (technical and compositional) is eye opening. Additional content
shows up in the comments as well. 
> 
> All of this from a very young-at-the-time man on long trips from home in
what sometimes appeared to be frigid weather. There?s quite a few reasons to
be impressed with his collection. 
> 
> He was posting until about a year ago, but I vaguely recall getting the
impression that he had since passed away.  
> 
> Matt Goodman
> Columbus, Ohio
> 
> Sent from my mobile
> 
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 4:13 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Thank you for calling attention to the outstanding N&W photos.  He
recorded some of the finest scenes of the N&W that I have ever seen.
> Gordon Hamilton
>> On 1/30/2019 11:51 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List wrote:
>> Marty, here?s the photo that Larry is referring to. It is one of many
beautiful photos in Bill Gordon?s collection, with steam locomotion spanning
the middle fifties to the very early sixties:
>> 
>>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130647200@N05/35757713216/in/album-72157669851
188905/
>> 
>> Matt Goodman
>> Columbus Ohio US
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 6:36 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Saw it in a photo on flicker just this week . 
>> 
>> Larry Evans
>> 
>> "There's the sun, there's the moon, there's the air we breathe, and
>> there's the Rolling Stones"  Keith Richards
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 1:30 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Marty
>>> 
>>> I know that billboard was shown in either of the company films the 1944
"Modern Coal Burning Steam Locomotives? or the 1940 "Power Behind the
Nation? in color. I?ve seen, somewhere, a drawing for that billboard as
well.
>>> 
>>> I seem to recall seeing it in a book as well, and thought it might be
Jim Nichols color book, but did not see it there.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> Ken Miller
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:41 PM, NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to find a picture I saw in a book.  It's of a sign, probably
just outside either Bluefield or Williamson, that says "This way to the
Pocahontas Coal Fields" or something like that.  I'm 90% certain the picture
is in color.  I also want to say it is not in a book you would expect it to
be; perhaps a generic mine book rather than N&W.  If anyone knows the
picture I am thinking of or any other pictures of this sign, please let me
know.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Marty Flick
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:04:29 +0000 (UTC)
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Subject: Re: CPL signals and how they operate
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I very much doubt any part of the the NYC interlocking logic knew or cared
that on our side, the signals were modified PL signals (they were not
standard N&W CPLs -
Apparently no one knew or cared how cuts of coal crossed the Central's New
York-Chicagomain line.? Arriving coal was stored south of the NYC main, then
shoved across? the Central tothe Lake when?needed.? Approaching the diamond
in a curve the movement was controlled bya trainman hanging on the?side of
the lead load? using a hose extension to the train line.That was 50 years
ago.? Maybe radio communications helped.? ? ? ? ? ?Harry Bundy
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:05:35 -0600
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Subject: Re: CPL signals and how they operate
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Harry, I was an Assistant Trainmaster in Sandusky in 1980-81. I have no idea
what you mean or are implying by "Apparently no one knew or cared how cuts
of coal crossed the Central's New York-Chicago main line.? Or how any of
this relates to how the NYC interlocking logic connected with our signals.

But, since you brought up moving cuts of coal through there, I can?t speak
about 50 years ago but 40 years ago, nothing was shoved across the NYC. 60
car cuts were pulled down to the dock - we never filled all the tracks at
the dock that the loads went into so one was always available as an escape
track for the locomotive.

And the curve was on the north side of the diamond so would only be a factor
pulling empties from the dock (and there is no way you could get a
locomotive on the rear of a cut of empties to shove them). And the curve
wasn?t an issue as the yard crews did not start up from the dock until the
yardmaster let them know the NYC (er, I mean Conrail) Dispatcher said they
had the signal.

Going to the dock, there were two roads to be crossed before the NYC and it
was a straight view from south of the first road (Tiffin Ave. - OH 101) 1/2
mile to the home signal. No crew crossed Tiffin Ave. until they had the
signal. Although looking at it today on Google Earth, there is a slight
curve south of the diamond but the home signals were so far back, and they
were high signals, that they could be seen, as I said, from south of Tiffin
Ave.

-- 
Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 2:04 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List
<nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I very much doubt any part of the the NYC interlocking logic knew or cared
that on our side, the signals were modified PL signals (they were not
standard N&W CPLs -
> 
> Apparently no one knew or cared how cuts of coal crossed the Central's New
York-Chicago
> main line.  Arriving coal was stored south of the NYC main, then shoved
across  the Central to
> the Lake when needed.  Approaching the diamond in a curve the movement was
controlled by
> a trainman hanging on the side of the lead load  using a hose extension to
the train line.
> That was 50 years ago.  Maybe radio communications helped.           Harry
Bundy
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