ex NKP & Wabash passenger cars

Tue Aug 20 08:26:17 EDT 2019

The schedule I have from 10/70 (that month’s Official Guide) has 4 and 18 as well as 3 and 17 scheduled to be in Roanoke simultaneously exchanging passengers. 18 was scheduled to arrive Roanoke at 10:55am and be there 1:35 before departing at 12:20pm. 4 arrived at 10:35am and departed at 11:10am (WB times were 3 8:10pm to 8:35pm and 17 7:25pm to 8:30pm).

It’s entirely possible (perhaps even likely) that any train 18 on 5/1/71 was just an equipment move. I could well see the N&W not wanting to carry passengers they didn’t legally have to on 5/1. Quoting Harry Bundy’s previous note that mentioned an 18 on 5/1:
> You didn't ask, but here's No. 18 for the same date:
> 
> Eng 515
> Conductor Turner and Engineer Tom Angle  on duty 1:00 PM
> SOU   510 -  Lynchburg (Kemper Street)
> SOU 1016 -        "              "              "
> SOU  840  -        "              "              "
> N&W 502  -        "              "              “ 

Note that it says on duty at 1:00pm. Assuming this is at Roanoke, that’s 40 minutes after 18’s scheduled departure time from Roanoke.

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Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

> On Aug 19, 2019, at 7:38 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> Harry, Larry, or anyone else:
> 
> Thanks for info on SOU train 18.
> 
> Does anyone have a record, memory, or seen a photo of SOU train 18 of May 1, 1971 between Bristol and Lynchburg? It had never occurred to me that another passenger train, besides No.4,  may have passed through Roanoke on 5-1-71. Did it proceed or follow No.4? Ken Miller seems to remember that No.4 departed late that day. That would mean 4 left close to the scheduled departure time for 18 that Larry references below. Many photos/videos have been published of the NW Passenger Extra and 2nd No.4 of 5-1-71 but I've never seen a photo of No. 18 same date.
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> Any info/photo would be intriguing.
> 
> John Garner, Newport VA
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> Southern didn’t join Amtrak so anything they were operating on 4/30/71 still operated on 5/1/71 and beyond. But the list of trains operating on 4/30/71 in the 1972 Kalmbach book Jounrey to Amtrak, 17/18 was only a Washington-Bristol train by then. The N&W portion was discontinued but Southern continued to operate it Washington-Lynchburg.
> 
> Are you saying there was a No. 18 on 5/1/71? 4/30/71 should have been the last day but maybe they ran it to get the equipment back. Looking at the schedule, I guess they had to - 17 of 4/30 would have run all the way to Bristol so there would have been no equipment in Lynchburg to run Southern’s 18 on 5/1.
> 
> Assuming the schedule I have from 10/70 was still true on 4/30/71, 18 left Bristol at 7:00am, Roanoke at 12:20pm, and Lynchburg at 1:30pm.
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> -- 
> Larry Stone
> lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
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>> On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:25 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> John:
>> No. 18 originated at Bristol that day.  A Southern Rwy. public timetable
>> dated November 20, 1970 indicates Southern no longer provided a
>> passenger train connection at Bristol.  Annulment of passenger service
>> between Knoxville and Bristol may  may have occurred before that date.
>> For an assignment on the Radford Division in October, I rode #17 to
>> Bristol one Sunday night.  Most passengers got off the train at Christians-
>> burg for VPI, some at Radford, and one or two at Abingdon.  No. 17 arrived
>> Bristol with two revenue passengers               Harry Bundy
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