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Mon Feb 22 08:38:57 EST 2016

     I thought it odd reading this. I have never seen an electrified oil 
lamp type rear marker. None of the reference material that I have show 
an electrical socket on the side of the Observation car and I haven't 
seen one on any of the ends of the other passenger cars.
     If you remember, cabs were assigned to conductors. I feel sure that 
each conductor kept a set of markers locked up in a locker inside of 
their cab. Where passenger car markers were kept I don't know for sure, 
probably inside one of the cars or maybe they were turned in at the end 
of the trip. I think that they were an item that was kept on the shelf 
at the storehouse and probably somewhere around the passenger station. 
Let me ask my former conductor to see if he has a better answer.
     One thing that I do find interesting is that the non-vestibule ends 
of the lightweight cars do not have marker brackets.

Jimmy Lisle

On 2/21/2016 10:42 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Jim
> Did N&W go to electrified rear markers? I've never truly seen an 
> example of one that was electrified, now the classification lamps on 
> the older locomotives, were simply electrified Armspears, with clear 
> lens and a green flip down lens inside. But I've never seen any of the 
> Armspear lamps that appear to have been electrified by the railroad, 
> and since they still used the lamps on cabooses or end of train, it 
> would have been odd to had sets of lamps strictly for passenger 
> equipment equipped for electrified lamps. I know the markers were no 
> longer required after the early 1960s.
> I don't know if lamps were simply assigned to a cab, a conductor, or 
> if there were shelves of them in the crew locker rooms to be picked up 
> as needed.
> Never thought to ask my Father on that one.
> Ken Miller
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 3:46 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>> All cars had brackets high on the end corners for the markers, so 
>> that any car could be the end of the train. The marker lamps were 
>> generally kerosene fired, but in the late 40's there were some that 
>> were electrical. Cars for the 1949 Powhatan Arrow had a socket on the 
>> side of the car near the bracket, where a cable from the marker could 
>> be plugged in. This may have been true with the other lightweight 
>> cars, but I remember seeing this feature on the 1949 cars from 
>> Pullman Standard.
>> Jim Nichols

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