Pullman question What do we really know???

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Jimmy, that is one of the frustrating challenges of it all.   There is 
probably someone out there with a complete set of color slides of all 
the passenger equipment who does not have any connection with the 
Society or this list.   All we can do is merge as much info as we have 
into the Society and hope one day more info will come forward.

Some days I think I had more fun in the hobby when I was running 
repainted Athearn passenger cars behind my first Gem J back in the 
60's.  Back then I did not worry about position of a window or lack of 
underbody detail.

Take care
Bill



On 1/30/2016 2:32 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> *What do we, the N&WHS, really know? Number 1 ?*
>
> On the subject of the _*12-1 Pullman*_ sleeper cars is the following 
> correct?:
>
> There were six cars bought by the N&W.
> Of those six;
>     We have photographic proof that two, Cuttyhunk and Lowry, were 
> painted N&W Red, lettered for NORFOLK AND WESTERN and had stripes.
>     We photographic proof that one car, Chilhowie, was left painted 
> green and lettered for PULLMAN.
>     There is no photographic proof that the other three cars, Galax, 
> Vulcan and Sunstar Rose, were painted and striped for N&W but they 
> probably were.
>
> *What do we, the N&WHS, really know? Number 2?*
>
> A number of years ago, someone provided a list of the N&W Steel 
> Passenger Car Fleet. It was very comprehensive. However, it does not 
> mention anything about Pullman Sleeper cars, the different types, 
> their names, or color. Searching the "Archives" provides not much more 
> information, only a very little on the S1 & S2 types. Vern French's 
> book provides some more information, but, even that can be very 
> sketchy, misleading and/or difficult to figure out. And, as we have 
> seen, there are mistakes in the "N&W Handbook".
>
> So, where does one go to find complete and definitive information 
> about the Pullman sleeping cars used on the N&W? How can we, the 
> modelers, historians and manufacturers be expected to get things right 
> if the information is for all intents and purposes unavailable?
>
> Rick,
> In the underlined part of your posting below, did you mean to write 
> "Cuttyhunk" instead of "Chilhowie"?
>>
>> On 1/28/2016 7:13 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>>> N&W acquired six 12-1 sleeping cars from Pullman in the 1948 
>>> divestiture.  Five cars had an inside length of 73 ft 10 inches:  
>>> Chilhowie, Galax, Lowry, Sunstar Rose, Vulcan.  Another car, 
>>> Cuttyhunk, was slightly different with an inside length of 72 ft 10 
>>> inches.  N&W also acquired two cars with 10 sections, 1 drawing 
>>> room, 1 compartment:  Island Regal and Island Rose.  Some of these 
>>> cars may have been assigned to N&W service when the were owned and 
>>> operated by Pullman, They would have been Pullman green and lettered 
>>> "PULLMAN" on the letterboards. _/**/_After N&W bought them they were 
>>> painted tuscan red, striped and lettered like the _/*attached photo 
>>> of Chilhowie photographed in Orlando, Florida on June 25, 1955.*/_ 
>>> Although Pullman sold most of its heavyweight fleet to the 
>>> railroads, the cars were leased back to Pullman for operation.  In 
>>> most cases Pullman was responsible for painting and maintaining the 
>>> cars.
>>> At least two 10 section-lounge cars were assigned to N&W service but 
>>> remained in Pullman ownership.  The cars were painted in N&W colors 
>>> but lettered PULLMAN on the letterboards.  Dinwiddie County had a 
>>> single vestibule and observation-lounge at its blunt end.  Norfolk 
>>> County had the same interior configuration, but with enclosed 
>>> vestibules at both ends.  Until circa 1954 these cars 
>>> operated Norfolk-Chicago in Pocahontas service.
>>> The attached photo is copied from /Classic Trains /magazine Summer 
>>> 2008 issue vol 9, issue 2.
>>> --Rick Morrison
>>>
>>> Moderator:
>>> http://nwhs.org/mailinglist/2016/20160128.NW_Pullman_Cuttyhunk121.pdf
>
> Jimmy Lisle
>
>
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