N&W and WM service agreements in Connellsville, PA?
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Hello Group,
I had this question come to me from a friend and this is beyond my knowledge and I hope that someone on this group can help. Please see the following request:
____________________
(From Friend)
I rcently found a picture of an N&W unit on the B&O turntable service tracks at the
roundhouse in Connellsville, PA in the 1973-1983 era. What were the engine
service agreements with the N&W and WM in Connellsville during this period?
I know the WM and N&W had run through agreements where N&W units would
run across the WM but I never thought what happened to them when they got to the
end of the WM. Please let me know what you know or at least forward my question to someone
who might know.
Thanks!____________________Any help you can provide to shed light on the above operations would be appreciated. Thank you. Steve Smith
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> 1. "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon
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> 2. Class K2/K2a assignments (NW Mailing List)
> 3. Photos of 1218 at Union Carbide (NW Mailing List)
> 4. RE: Photos of 1218 at Union Carbide (NW Mailing List)
> 5. Re: Photos of 1218 at Union Carbide (NW Mailing List)
> 6. RE: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip
> Salmon (NW Mailing List)
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> Subject: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon
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> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with five of the Brethren
> and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Christmas is in the air and the
> restauraunt was full of it with a big party taking our regular section.
> Most of the conversation was about this glorious season that is now upon
> us. Raymond, Wis, Gordon, Landon and I were almost overwhelmed by our new
> location and the great atmosphere in the place.
>
>
> I told the Brethren about last weekend's successful "Candy Cane Express" at
> the Virginia Museum of Transportation whre we safely gave thousands of
> rides on Saturday and Sunday. As my hair and beard are turning white and
> my knees are not what they used to be, I acted as "Conductor" complete with
> the black vest, brass buttons (with VGN RY on them of course), gold chain
> and RR pocket watch (Hamilton 992 B Railroad Approved). My assignment this
> year was to meet and greet the waiting passengers and see that about 90
> were "metered" out for boarding, each trip. It was somewhat like "herding
> cats". This gave me an opportunity to talk to many who were waiting for
> the 15 minute ride, and proved to me that the love of trains is alive and
> well in the Star City of the South. One older gentleman arrived with his
> family on his electric "scooter". Before boarding, his scooter was placed
> in the line with 7 baby strollers and "fit right in". After the ride, I
> asked him if he worked for the railroad. "No, but my grandfather was an
> Engineer on the Abingdon Branch". Later in the day a tour bus from "South
> Jersey" arrived and most of the passengers rode our train. They were in
> Roanoke to see the Steam Trinity:Class A, J and Y steam engines. I was
> very proud to point to Roanoke Shops and tell them about working in the
> very place they were built. Also they got a "dose" of Roanoke's "Other
> Railroad" our beloved VGN!
>
>
> The ebay sale item this week is one I should have bid more for: a
> Virginian Railway "Safety First" sign that sold for $193.05. It closed on
> Saturday afternoon, and I would like to think this is when I was showing
> those Yankees the EL-C #135....
>
>
> The Jewel from the Past is from November 27, 2008: We talked about back up
> bells on VGN cabooses. A fellow from Princeton told me at the recent
> Bluefield Railfest, that he had one and there were small brass bells on
> some VGN cabooses that were sounded when back up movements were made. lI
> know about the back up whistles, but have any of you ever seen or heard of
> a VGN caboose back up bell?
>
>
> I told the Brethren the latest report about Phase II of our Virginian
> Station Reswtoration in Roanoke. We are on schedule to finish in April,
> 2016, Lord Willing. Most of the utilities are in and plastering is being
> done at this time. Our Committee is meeting next Tuesday to start planning
> the "home stretch" work to complete our project.
>
>
> Then there's this from last Saturday: After one run as the passengers were
> filing by and I thanked them for riding and wished them a "Merry
> Christmas", a small boy stopped in front of me with his Dad. I bent down
> and was about to ask if he had enjoyed the ride, when our eyes locked on
> each other's. There's nothing quite like a 3-year-old's innocent, sincere
> and noble stare. Before I could speak, he said "Are you Santa?" I told
> him "No, but I do know him.....
>
>
> Time to pull the pin on this one.
>
>
> Departing Now from V248,
>
>
> Skip Salmon
>
>
> DLXXXV
>
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> Subject: Class K2/K2a assignments
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> Frank
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> As per an internal Motive Power Department document dated May 15, 1947, the modernized K2 and K2a locomotives were assigned as follows:
>
> One was assigned for 21 and 22, between Richmond and Norfolk
>
> Three were utilized for 29 and 30, and 23 and 24 between Roanoke and Norfolk
>
> Three on 23 and 24, between Roanoke and CIncinnati*
>
> Three were utilized for 14 and 1, 2 and 13 between Hagerstown and Roanoke
>
> One was assigned for 9 and 10 between Roanoke and Bristol
>
> Two were utilized for 9 and 12, and 11 and 10 between Bluefield and WIlliamson
>
> One was assigned for 20 and 19 between Portsmouth and Williamson
>
> One was assigned for 33 and 36, and 35 and 34, Portsmouth and Columbus
>
> One was at Portsmouth for protection power
>
> Two were at Shaffers Crossing for protection power
>
> Three were at Shaffers Crossing for shopping (classified repair and monthly tests)
>
> *The three on 23 and 24 also provided protection or alternate power at Cincinnati.
>
> Naturally, all this did not mean that a specific locomotive was assigned anywhere. As Harry pointed out, three locomotives equipped with ATS for use on the ACL into Richmond and others were equipped with cab signals for the Shenandoah Division.
>
> As others also noted, once the last three Js were completed, they bumped the K2s off 23 and 24. I believe were assigned to 11-12 between Roanoke and Winston Salem.
>
> And of course, the K1s could fill in as standby power in case of an emergency.
>
> Ken Miller
>
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> Subject: Photos of 1218 at Union Carbide
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> Does anyone know the source of this low res photo of 1218 at Union Carbide
> (1218 on right, 1202 on left, 1230 in background) that I located on the net?
> Does anyone have, or know of, any other photos of these locos while they
> were at Union Carbide? In the photo it appears that two men are working on
> the 1218 maybe in preparation for its move to Steamtown.
>
> Thanks much! John Garner Newport VA
>
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> John:
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> I think I did an article on the 1218 and its move years ago in the Winston-Salem NRHS Chapter newsletter, The Rail, I?ll have to go back to my archives to see if I can identify the source of the photo. You?ll need to give me several days to dig it out.
>
> Have a good day and weekend.
>
> George Weber
> W-S NRHS Newsletter Editor
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> To: NW Mailing List
> Subject: Photos of 1218 at Union Carbide
>
> Does anyone know the source of this low res photo of 1218 at Union Carbide
> (1218 on right, 1202 on left, 1230 in background) that I located on the net?
> Does anyone have, or know of, any other photos of these locos while they
> were at Union Carbide? In the photo it appears that two men are working on
> the 1218 maybe in preparation for its move to Steamtown.
>
> Thanks much! John Garner Newport VA
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> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:36:11 -0500
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> John
>
> My grandfather was a shift foreman on the island (Blaine Island) in the unit next to the boiler complex. Dad also spent time on the island before moving to a position that took him on the hill (Carbide Tech Center) and over at Institute. I've got a few photos taken of them at work but the boiler house area doesn't show up.
>
> Somewhere, I've got a high resolution copy of the original photo, call it a Xerox of the photo on plain paper, that was in the Richard Andre collection. Richard may have used that for his newspaper column or in the planning for another book. The original was probably returned to the owner and the owner was never identified on my copy.
>
> We examined the photo one day and determined that this was taken during the time they were setting up the engines for use as stand by boilers. Note the new insulation (white material) on the main header pipe overhead and on the various fittings. Note the newly installed blow down separator on the extreme left bottom of the photo with new insulation. This cooled the blow down water to a manageable temperature before sending it to the sewer or Kanawha River. One of those men working could be by uncle who was a pipefitter for Carbide. The asbestos eventually took him at age 65.
>
> In the background you'll note one the C&O's fireless cookers or "steam pots" as the crews called them. The C&O used those on the island and the rest of the plant until 1963. My cousin was hired as a fireman and ran these until they were discontinued and replaced with Alco S2's and many idler flat cars.
>
> I've seen only two other photographs of the 1218 in this area. One was of the 1218 sitting in Elk Yard (South Charleston) either coming to or going away from Carbide, the other was of the engines on the island taken at ground level. Both of those photos were in the brochure of the New River Train years ago.
>
> Here's where I'd search for more information.
>
> CP Huntington RRHS in Huntington, WV. A letter to their historian might turn up something.
>
> Dow Chemical... At one time there was a massive archives of photos and information from "The Carbider" the newspaper that Carbide had. I want to say it was at the Tech Center but if those files and photos still exist is open to speculation. Dow now owns what little bit of Carbide is left in South Charleston.
>
> Charleston Newspapers Photo Archives.
>
> I have rambled way too long on this... Good luck!
>
> Matt Crouch
>
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> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:24:12 +0000
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> Subject: RE: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip
> Salmon
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> Hello Skip,
>
> I really enjoy your posts each week. Thank you and Merry Christmas Santa!
>
> Lee Burns
>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:43 AM
> To: NW Mailing List
> Subject: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon
>
>
> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with five of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Christmas is in the air and the restauraunt was full of it with a big party taking our regular section. Most of the conversation was about this glorious season that is now upon us. Raymond, Wis, Gordon, Landon and I were almost overwhelmed by our new location and the great atmosphere in the place.
>
>
>
> I told the Brethren about last weekend's successful "Candy Cane Express" at the Virginia Museum of Transportation whre we safely gave thousands of rides on Saturday and Sunday. As my hair and beard are turning white and my knees are not what they used to be, I acted as "Conductor" complete with the black vest, brass buttons (with VGN RY on them of course), gold chain and RR pocket watch (Hamilton 992 B Railroad Approved). My assignment this year was to meet and greet the waiting passengers and see that about 90 were "metered" out for boarding, each trip. It was somewhat like "herding cats". This gave me an opportunity to talk to many who were waiting for the 15 minute ride, and proved to me that the love of trains is alive and well in the Star City of the South. One older gentleman arrived with his family on his electric "scooter". Before boarding, his scooter was placed in the line with 7 baby strollers and "fit right in". After the ride, I asked him if he worked for the rai
> lroad. "No, but my grandfather was an Engineer on the Abingdon Branch". Later in the day a tour bus from "South Jersey" arrived and most of the passengers rode our train. They were in Roanoke to see the Steam Trinity:Class A, J and Y steam engines. I was very proud to point to Roanoke Shops and tell them about working in the very place they were built. Also they got a "dose" of Roanoke's "Other Railroad" our beloved VGN!
>
>
>
> The ebay sale item this week is one I should have bid more for: a Virginian Railway "Safety First" sign that sold for $193.05. It closed on Saturday afternoon, and I would like to think this is when I was showing those Yankees the EL-C #135....
>
>
>
> The Jewel from the Past is from November 27, 2008: We talked about back up bells on VGN cabooses. A fellow from Princeton told me at the recent Bluefield Railfest, that he had one and there were small brass bells on some VGN cabooses that were sounded when back up movements were made. lI know about the back up whistles, but have any of you ever seen or heard of a VGN caboose back up bell?
>
>
>
> I told the Brethren the latest report about Phase II of our Virginian Station Reswtoration in Roanoke. We are on schedule to finish in April, 2016, Lord Willing. Most of the utilities are in and plastering is being done at this time. Our Committee is meeting next Tuesday to start planning the "home stretch" work to complete our project.
>
>
>
> Then there's this from last Saturday: After one run as the passengers were filing by and I thanked them for riding and wished them a "Merry Christmas", a small boy stopped in front of me with his Dad. I bent down and was about to ask if he had enjoyed the ride, when our eyes locked on each other's. There's nothing quite like a 3-year-old's innocent, sincere and noble stare. Before I could speak, he said "Are you Santa?" I told him "No, but I do know him.....
>
>
>
> Time to pull the pin on this one.
>
>
>
> Departing Now from V248,
>
>
>
> Skip Salmon
>
>
>
> DLXXXV
>
>
>
>
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