NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 120, Issue 22
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In the coalfields served by NS after the Conrail consolidation all empty trains that arrived with NYC reporting marks were not to be loaded. These cars were switched out and returned to CSXT. I did this many times.
-Jeff Hensley.
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> 1. RE: Post Merger NW Reporting Marks (NW Mailing List)
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> Bill
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> Let?s try this again . When they broke up Conrail the NYC reporting mark was transferred to CSX. The PRR and CR reporting marks
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> were transferred to Norfolk Southern and still belong to them . They changed the reporting marks on equipment that went to CSX to the NYC mark . There was not any need to put PRR on the equipment going to NS as they inherited the CR reporting mark but there was some stuff that got the PRR mark most noticeable were some locomotives
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> Larry Evans
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> Bruce and Larry -
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> I can assure all that CSX was the party to apply PRR to their former Conrail cars. Norfolk Southern did not apply anything to the former Conrail railcars they acquired in the merger.
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> Bill Browder
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> Moneta, Virginia
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> In a message dated 4/17/2015 2:58:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> writes:
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> Bruce
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> You are correct here . Even today PRR is a Norfolk Southern mark just like SOU,NW
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> NS owns all cars carrying that mark. Same with CSX and the NYC reporting mark.
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> Larry Evans
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> "There's the sun, there's the moon, there's the air we breathe, and
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> there's the Rolling Stones" Keith Richards
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> On Apr 17, 2015, at 9:19 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> > wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:08 PM,
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> ?Bill
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> First developed when NS and CSX purchased Conrail and divided up the Conrail equipment. In order to avoid duplicate reporting markings with the Association of American Railroads (AAR) reporting system, it was agreed that CSX would add PRR to the unique number of the equipment they acquired. NS would not add anything to the equipment they acquired in the division of Conrail equipment they received in the purchase.
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> ?I thought that because of the way Conrail had been divided, Norfolk Southern (which picked up mostly former Pennsylvania RR lines) used the PRR reporting mark and CSX (which received mostly former New York Central lines) used the NYC reporting mark.?
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> Second, Norfolk Southern and its predecessor Southern Railway used the sub lettering on their locomotives to visually identify ownership under the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) identification standards. They use to go further and have metal plates attached to the locomotives and other equipment which identified the entity, normally a bank, that had financed the purchase.
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> ?Equipment trusts probably had a lot to do with how ?equipment was lettered and tracked during and right after a merger.
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> Finally, I'm not sure that "Southern purchased the N&W," ever, although I always enjoyed telling everybody that, especially after Ed Burwell sent me to the N&W coal piers at Lamberts Point and I had to relearn all the operating and safety rules for the N&W!
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> ?I don't know if the Southern Railway still exists as a corporation, but the Norfolk & Western Railway was terminated as a company when it was fully merged into the Norfolk Southern Railway Company in 1998. See http://www.brucebharper.info/nwrwy/RIP-NW.html for the report from the Surface Transportation Board.
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> When split between NS (58%) and CSX (42%), Conrail became a jointly owned subsidiary of the two parent companies. Conrail property was split between the two companies by creating two new LLCs, Pennsylvania Lines (PRR reporting mark) for NS and New York Central Lines (NYC reporting mark) for CSXT. Also as a result of the merger, NS also obtained rights to the CR reporting mark thereby negating the need to apply new reporting marks to the Conrail rolling stock it acquired. NS did, however, apply the PRR reporting mark to Conrail locomotives that it acquired. CSX applied NYC reporting marks to the Conrail rolling stock that it acquired as a result of the merger.
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> > On Apr 18, 2015, at 8:00 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> > Bruce and Larry -
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> > I can assure all that CSX was the party to apply PRR to their former Conrail cars. Norfolk Southern did not apply anything to the former Conrail railcars they acquired in the merger.
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> > Bill Browder
> > Moneta, Virginia
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> > In a message dated 4/17/2015 2:58:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org writes:
> > Bruce
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> > You are correct here . Even today PRR is a Norfolk Southern mark just like SOU,NW
> > NS owns all cars carrying that mark. Same with CSX and the NYC reporting mark.
> >
> > Larry Evans
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> > "There's the sun, there's the moon, there's the air we breathe, and
> > there's the Rolling Stones" Keith Richards
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> >> On Apr 17, 2015, at 9:19 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:08 PM, ?Bill wrote:
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> >>> First developed when NS and CSX purchased Conrail and divided up the Conrail equipment. In order to avoid duplicate reporting markings with the Association of American Railroads (AAR) reporting system, it was agreed that CSX would add PRR to the unique number of the equipment they acquired. NS would not add anything to the equipment they acquired in the division of Conrail equipment they received in the purchase.
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> >> ?I thought that because of the way Conrail had been divided, Norfolk Southern (which picked up mostly former Pennsylvania RR lines) used the PRR reporting mark and CSX (which received mostly former New York Central lines) used the NYC reporting mark.?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Second, Norfolk Southern and its predecessor Southern Railway used the sub lettering on their locomotives to visually identify ownership under the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) identification standards. They use to go further and have metal plates attached to the locomotives and other equipment which identified the entity, normally a bank, that had financed the purchase.
> >>
> >> ?Equipment trusts probably had a lot to do with how ?equipment was lettered and tracked during and right after a merger.
> >>
> >>> Finally, I'm not sure that "Southern purchased the N&W," ever, although I always enjoyed telling everybody that, especially after Ed Burwell sent me to the N&W coal piers at Lamberts Point and I had to relearn all the operating and safety rules for the N&W!
> >>
> >> ?I don't know if the Southern Railway still exists as a corporation, but the Norfolk & Western Railway was terminated as a company when it was fully merged into the Norfolk Southern Railway Company in 1998. See http://www.brucebharper.info/nwrwy/RIP-NW.html for the report Sent from my iPad
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