1952 Eisenhower Special
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For some details of the 1952 Eisenhower Specials (two of them involved the
N&W and at least one the Southern) please see RAILS REMEMBERED, Vol. 3,
Chapter 49.
Louis Newton
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> 1. RE: !952 Eisenhower Special (NW Mailing List)
> 2. Re: question (NW Mailing List)
> 3. Photos needed (NW Mailing List)
> 4. Post Merger NW Reporting Marks (NW Mailing List)
> 5. RE: Post Merger NW Reporting Marks (NW Mailing List)
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> Dick,
>
> Thanks for this additional information. Did the train travel from
> Charlotte to Winston through Barber or through Greensboro? I assume it
> would have been Barber since the train was in reverse order coming into
> Winston but in correct order going out.
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> Ray Smoot
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> In connection with recent discussion. we did some research @ NWHS archives
> this week in Roanoke. The 2 J's came to Winston pulling 2 diners for the
> special and then were turned very carefully on the balloon track @ North
> Winston. The Southern pulled the train in reverse order from Charlotte so
> it would leave W-S in the correct order. Eisenhower spoke from a platform
> in the plaza in front of Union Station, so he did not need the observation
> car in W-S. While he was speaking N&W cut the 2 diners into the middle of
> the train. The train came into Charlotte from Washington and in 1952
> Southern had no way to turn the train in Charlotte or W-S.
>
> Dick Kimball
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> Michael,
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> Your question prompted me to get out my copy of John Droege's "Freight
> Terminals and Trains". The book makes no comments requiring a given
> distance between ash and coal plants; in fact, there is at least one
> reference to a coaling plant that is "...so arranged that seven
> locomotives can take coal, sand and water and discharge ashes at one
> time..." This suggests that ash dumping was done at the coaling plant, or
> in very close proximity.
>
> Matt Goodman
> Columbus, Ohio
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> On Mar 31, 2015, at 3:54 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
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> Here is a question for those more knowledgeable about steam service
> facilities than I: I am working on the engine service area of the O Scale
> VGN (www.vgnrailway.com). Got myself one of the brass R&S ash put lifts
> made by Overland. I failed however to plan for the center to center track
> distance between the track with the ash pit, and the track where the
> gondola sits under the ash dump. So for that track to diverge an
> sufficient distance, it would put the ash pit close to or across from the
> coaling tower. Is that OK, or did the dump for hot ashes have to be
> placed away from the coaling tower to avoid risk of starting fires?
>
> thanks all
>
> Michael Ross
> Ft Worth, TX
> This years O Scale Southwest meet is Oct 16-17
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> I need a photo or two of the N&W and Clinchfield bridges over the creek
> between Boody and St. Paul. Anybody have any?
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> Carl Woods
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> Hello, I've know of some equipment bought new after?the 82 NS merger that
> featured NW reporting marks. The best examples of this I know of are the
> H49 and H50 hoppers and the GE C39-8s. ?The C39-8s not only had NW marks,
> but another order had SOU and some had straight NS markings, I think. ?Can
> someone please explain why some things bought after the merger still
> received NW and SOU markings, and what other equipment received NW
> markings??
> Thanks, Evan Miller
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> Evan
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> In addition to the C39-8's numbered 8550-8613, that were delivered to NS
> with NW sublettering, the C36-7 Ph. II's were delivered the same way.
> Their number series is 8531-8542. No EMD's were delivered with NS paint
> and NW sublettering.
>
> The H49's and H50's were the only coal cars built new with NS leterring
> and NW reporting marks. NS has rebuilt several classes of H11R's and
> repainted them NS with NW reporting marks. Any other cars that have the NS
> logo and NW reporting marks are repaints.
>
> Regards
> Russ Goodwin
> Buford, GA
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> Hello, I've know of some equipment bought new after the 82 NS merger that
> featured NW reporting marks. The best examples of this I know of are the
> H49 and H50 hoppers and the GE C39-8s. The C39-8s not only had NW marks,
> but another order had SOU and some had straight NS markings, I think. Can
> someone please explain why some things bought after the merger still
> received NW and SOU markings, and what other equipment received NW
> markings?
> Thanks, Evan Miller
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> Evan,
>
> To add to the info Russ provided, the two railroads N&W and Southern were
> holdings of the Norfolk Southern Corporation. In the end Southern
> purchased the N&W and several years later renamed itself the Norfolk
> Corporation. The main idea of the sub lettering is to identify the owner
> of the loco, car or other equipment. Even last year I photographed a
> loco-crane lettered N&W. If you will remember when NS and CSX split
> Conrail you saw the PRR for NS and NYC for CSX while the cars were still
> lettered Conrail.
> the one subletter you will continue to see is CNOTP which is held by the
> City of Cinncinnati which still owns the line south out of that city.
> Southern leased and NS continues to lease it, NS has tried to buy it but
> since tax revenues are down the city knows NS will make the lease payments
> while is guaranteed income.
>
> With the C36-7's and C39-8's purchases these were still done by the N&W,
> Southern purchased the SD50's and SD60's until the second C39-8 order. It
> basically comes down to an accounting dept. thing.
>
> James Wall
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> On Apr 13, 2015, at 1:12 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
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>> Evan
>>
>> In addition to the C39-8's numbered 8550-8613, that were delivered to NS
>> with NW sublettering, the C36-7 Ph. II's were delivered the same way.
>> Their number series is 8531-8542. No EMD's were delivered with NS paint
>> and NW sublettering.
>>
>> The H49's and H50's were the only coal cars built new with NS leterring
>> and NW reporting marks. NS has rebuilt several classes of H11R's and
>> repainted them NS with NW reporting marks. Any other cars that have the
>> NS logo and NW reporting marks are repaints.
>>
>> Regards
>> Russ Goodwin
>> Buford, GA
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Galaxy S?III
>>
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>> From: NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List
>> Date:13/04/2015 12:46 (GMT-05:00)
>> To: NW Mailing List
>> Cc: NW Mailing List
>> Subject: Post Merger NW Reporting Marks
>>
>> Hello, I've know of some equipment bought new after the 82 NS merger that
>> featured NW reporting marks. The best examples of this I know of are the
>> H49 and H50 hoppers and the GE C39-8s. The C39-8s not only had NW marks,
>> but another order had SOU and some had straight NS markings, I think.
>> Can someone please explain why some things bought after the merger still
>> received NW and SOU markings, and what other equipment received NW
>> markings?
>>
>> Thanks, Evan Miller
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