N&W 1950s Steam Excursions

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Are there any videos of the 1957 railfan excursion on the Clinch Valley District ?


Paul Mandelkern
Winter Park, Florida

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According to my records, on May 4, 1957 a railfan excursion was run on the Clinch Valley District, sponsored by the Baltimore Chapter (as I recall) of the NRHS.

The group was handled in regular trains Nos. 5 and 6, with their usual consists plus two extra coaches, a Pullman, a diner, and an open gondola (10 cars total), double-headed by E-2a's 578 and 563.

I plan to cover the operation of this train in a future article in "The Arrow."

Louis Newton

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>   1. RE: 1950's N&W Steam excursions (NW Mailing List)

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>   3. 4-8-0s  (WAS: Class M's, Mollies, class names and the like)

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> A quick google comes up with this:

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> http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mastodon/?page=nw

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> I have no idea who Steve Llanso is, but in this article he claims the 

> crews called them ?Mollies?

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> As I understand it, steam locomotive wheel arrangements were given 

> generic names; just as 2-8-2's were Mikados, but referred to as 

> "Mikes," I believe the 4-8-0 wheel arrangement was named Mastodon and 

> referred to as "Mollies."  I have heard this term applied to this 

> wheel arrangement many times but railfans, authors, etc.

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> There is no doubt however, that on the N&W, they were simply referred 

> to as M's.

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> Jim Brewer

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> Good for you, Jim.  The use of the term ?mollie? sounds to me like one 

> of those terms used by railfans to appear more ?hip?,  like referring 

> to a consist of diesels as a ?lashup?.  That one makes my rump want to 

> chew tobacco . . .

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> Ed

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> In Bluefield, my father always called them "M"s. Don't know who called 

> them "Mollies," but I am aware of an axiom: if anyone ever puts wrong 

> information in print, that is the information that get's quoted 

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> attribution) forever. Which is why I do my best to identify errors, 

> even when some people take it personally.

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> Jim

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> Hey Jim -

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> I was around Bristol for the last few years of the small 4-8-0s, and I 

> never heard anyone refer to them as Mollies.  They were "M"s down there.

> Maybe that term applied elsewhere on the railroad, but the only folks 

> I know of that called them "Mollies" were railfans years after they 

> were gone . . .

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> EdKing

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> Does anyone have a list of steam excursions operated by N&W in the 

> 1950's that show the dates, places and locomotives used?

> I'm currently working on some video with some of these trips but I 

> don't know any details of them.

> For instance, I have footage of the following trips:

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> A double headed run on the Abingdon branch where part of the train 

> looks to be a work extra and part was the regular mixed with a couple 

> of rider gondolas attached.

> Actually, the train wasn't a true double header in that the mixed, 

> with it's Mollie, is coupled behind the work train which had a 

> different Mollie on the point.

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> Another excursion with a K1 and also carrying rider gons on the back.

> I think this one went to or from Bristol.

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> The doubleheaded excursion from Bluefield to Norton with Pacifics.

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> There are possibly others that I will find as I go through this film.

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> Thanks for any assistance.

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> Jim Cochran:

>> In the first case (Figure 1) the blue train is eastbound ( to the 

>> right) and there is no other traffic.  The route is lined for him to 

>> hold the main through the interlocking.  Are the aspects shown 

>> correctly?

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> Yes.

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>> If there is a train on the siding as shown in Figure 2, does it have 

>> any effect on the signal aspects?  My assumption is that it does not.  

>> Let me know.

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> Correct, no change in signal aspects.

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> I believe that the SP was the other principal user of 4-8-0s in later 

> days, not the UP (I don't remember seeing a pic of a UP 4-8-0).  They 

> ended up on the Oregon branch lines of the SP and lasted til quite 

> late in the day.  I think that the most popular "type name" for the 

> 4-8-0 was "Twelve -Wheeler";  all the SP locos were in the "TW" 

> classes, from the days when SP class designations were generally based 

> on prevailing type names.

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> BTW, 4-8-0s were very common on British colonial 42" gauge lines - 

> South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, etc.  Lots of these are living 

> on in preservation.

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> pete groom

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> On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:35 AM, NW Mailing List 

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>> Gentlemen:

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>> This a great discussion and when Jim added into the mix about the 

>> 2-8-2 wheel arrangement, I felt it was time to toss my hat into this ring.

>>

>> The various wheel arrangements while somewhat generic named were also 

>> given the better known ones for very specific reasons:

>>

>> The 2-8-0's were called Consolidations simply because the first order 

>> or large order was from a recent consolidation of railroad companies 

>> way back when .. the late 1860's or 1870's or so.

>>

>> The 2-8-2's were called Mikado's because the first order went to the 

>> Japanese Mikado I think it was in 1897.

>>

>> The first iconic order for the 4-6-2's went to MoPac, Missouri 

>> Pacific which named them Pacific type, I believe around 1904.

>>

>> The what became ever-popular Mountain named 4-8-2 went to the C&O for 

>> their mountain divisions in the coalfields and they named it accordingly.

>>

>> As for the 4-8-0's, not many roads had this wheel arrangement, with 

>> UP I think and the N&W being the primary users and it received the 

>> name Mastodon from who knows -- I've never read that one. They were 

>> always Class "M's" as Ed and Jim have reminded us and that probably 

>> the nickname Mollie probably got added later by parties now lost to history.

>> The N&W's famous Class J -- what did the N&W call those: Northern or 

>> Class J? Same animal but local name. Kind of like trolley -- they 

>> were called trams, streetcars (both one and two words), along with a 

>> few other things as well as local names as well.

>>

>> Other wheel arrangements had been named similarly to the earlier ones 

>> mentioned.

>>

>> Even the little used 2-4-2 type got a name "Columbia" I am told came 

>> from its having been displayed at the World's Columbian Exposition in 

>> Chicago in 1892-1893. Of course this small hauler was quickly 

>> over-shadowed by larger power which rapidly eclipsed these little types.

>>

>> The 2-8-4's were named Berkshires as the Boston & Albany I think got 

>> the first, those from Lima and their new Super-Power concept which 

>> really took off. That was 1923-1925 or thereabouts.

>>

>> The 2-10--0's were called Decapods for their 10 drivers and some 

>> specific ones which had been designated or ordered by the Russian 

>> Govt and never delivered to the after WW1 Bolshevik's, became Russian Decapods.

>>

>> The 4-8-4's were first ordered by NP and became Northern's for most 

>> roads but they did have other names as well, Lackawanna called theirs 

>> Poconos, C&O called theirs Greenbriars and a number of others had 

>> names for theirs as well. The NC&StL couldn't call theirs after any 

>> northern company or name or anything from Yankee land, so theirs 

>> became something else more fitting to their Southern traditions.

>>

>> I had never heard of the L&N's "Big Emma's" being called anything 

>> other than that but I grew up with David P. Morgan and he called them 

>> that and not the M1's as referred within these fine pages so perhaps 

>> DPM was a bit guilt of that little change to historical reference.

>>

>> The 4-10-2's were called the SP type as they were the predominate 

>> user of that little used wheel arrangement, never minding their 3rd cylinder.

>>

>> The 4-12-2 was similarly called the UP type for the same reason as 

>> the SP, only the UP had that one, also with an inside 3rd cylinder.

>>

>> As NYC was the initial order-er for the 4-6-4 type, no surprise what 

>> these were named for us romantics -- the Hudson type. Oh, what a 

>> shame one of the Central's 4-6-4's was saved for us to ruminate over. 

>> However that is for another day.

>>

>> The 4-6-0's I have always seen called "ten-wheel" types.

>>

>> And I suspect the first 2-10-2's went to the AT&SF although can't 

>> recall details. The 2-10-4's were an outgrowth of the 2-10-2's as 

>> something larger was required for a specific type of work load.

>>

>> One last one -- 2-8-8-4 -- the first order for those went to was it 

>> NP or GN which needed this big hauler for out near the Yellowstone 

>> region and so with their humongous firebox to burn that stuff they 

>> had on their road which wasn't a whole lot better than improvised 

>> dirt (aka-lignite), the first of these went there, along with their 

>> name. Somewhere I saw a surmising that perhaps these would have been 

>> more powerful than the Allegheny or Big Boy's if they had put good 

>> grade coal in one, but alas, that answer awaits us all in that great roundhouse in the sky, someday.

>>

>> Bob Cohen

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