N&W in 1910 - Cars

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The car supply situation improved somewhat in the early 1920s when AAR Car 
Service Order C-411 became effective.

Under that order, the major coal originating carriers, such as the N&W, VGN, 
C&O, L&N and possibly others, agreed to furnish all the cars for loading at 
their on-lne mines.  In return, terminating carriers were required to return 
cars promptly to the owners and were prohibited from loading them without 
the owner's permission; for example, a return movement of iron ore from the 
Lakes in the direction of the owner's line would be permitted.

Further, C-411 carriers were prohibited from loading foreign cars at on-line 
mines without the owner's permission.

With a few exceptions, the system worked quite well for many years.

Louis Newton
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>   3. Re: N&W in 1910--Cars (NW Mailing List)

>   4. "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon

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>   5. H-line designation (NW Mailing List)

>   6. Y6b shrill whistle (NW Mailing List)

>   7. Re: N&W in 1910--Cars (NW Mailing List)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:16:24 -0400

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> Subject: Photos of Richlands, VA

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> I am writing an article for The Arrow about Richlands circa the 1950s,

> and I am having a hard time finding photos of N&W trains and structures

> in or nearby Richlands to illustrate the article (other than the few

> that are shown in the Archives portion of the Society's website).

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> If anyone has any Richlands photos that they would like to share for

> publication with my article - black and white or color, steam or diesel

> - please contact me off line.

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> Paul Mandelkern

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> paul.mandelkern at lowndes-law.com

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> November 11, 1910

>

> SCRAMBLE FOR CARS

> ------

> Coal Selling Agencies Beginning to Feel Effects of Shortage

>

> The coal selling agencies are beginning to feel a car shortage and in most 

> cases it is serious, as there is a demand for the coal which must be met. 

> In the scramble for cars by all the roads it is to be expected that there 

> will be a shortage but it had been hoped that it would not affect this 

> field to any great extent.

>    In the middle east railroads are making open charges against one 

> another, each claiming that the other has stolen its cars.  The situation 

> in this section has not yet become so acute, and it is hardly likely that 

> such a condition will occur until after the lake season is over, which 

> should be about the first of December, five days earlier than usual.

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> [Apparently in 1910 neither the railroads nor the Federal Government had 

> developed effective rules which required empty cars to be returned to the 

> owning railroad.  The ICC was given this power by the Esch Car Service Act 

> of 1917.  The Car Service Division of the AAR was formed prior to WW II, 

> and it administers the rules for the ICC (now STB).  Also, when the Great 

> Lakes freeze over, the coal and ore that otherwise would move on the lakes 

> would move in railroad cars, increasing the demand for cars.]

>

> Gordon Hamilton

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> November 11, 1910

>

> SCRAMBLE FOR CARS

> ------

> Coal Selling Agencies Beginning to Feel Effects of Shortage

>

> The coal selling agencies are beginning to feel a car shortage and in most 

> cases it is serious, as there is a demand for the coal which must be met. 

> In the scramble for cars by all the roads it is to be expected that there 

> will be a shortage but it had been hoped that it would not affect this 

> field to any great extent.

>    In the middle east railroads are making open charges against one 

> another, each claiming that the other has stolen its cars.  The situation 

> in this section has not yet become so acute, and it is hardly likely that 

> such a condition will occur until after the lake season is over, which 

> should be about the first of December, five days earlier than usual.

> ------

> [Apparently in 1910 neither the railroads nor the Federal Government had 

> developed effective rules which required empty cars to be returned to the 

> owning railroad.  The ICC was given this power by the Esch Car Service Act 

> of 1917.  The Car Service Division of the AAR was formed prior to WW II, 

> and it administers the rules for the ICC (now STB).  Also, when the Great 

> Lakes freeze over, the coal and ore that otherwise would move on the lakes 

> would move in railroad cars, increasing the demand for cars.]

>

> Gordon Hamilton

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> Subject: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon

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> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with 10 of the Brethren

> and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Attending the session with us was

> Phil McFarland, long time volunteer at the Virginia Museum of

> Transportation, who laughed at our corny jokes and added several of his

> own personal rail experiences to the Brethren.

>

> One highlight of discussion was yesterday's news announcement that

> Norfolk Southern has earned $257 million, or 68 cents per share, the

> first quarter of 2010. This is a 45% increase over the first quarter of

> 2009, despite a 60% increase in fuel prices.

>

> I showed the Brethren an email from Gary Price who works in the NS

> Maintenance of Way Department. Gary says that the Old Virginian Railway

> Route is now referred to at Norfolk Southern as the "Eastern/Western

> Region V-Line". Wonder what old H. H. Rogers would think of this?

>

> For "Show and Tell" I passed around three Virginian artifacts recently

> donated to our Archives by my friend John McDaniel. The first is a VGN

> RWY Contract with a Grist Mill at Eggleston, VA. It stipulates that "all

> buildings must be painted and kept in neat condition by the party of the

> second part; neither red nor yellow paint is to be used; the red

> interfering with the danger signals and yellow being the Railway

> Company's standard color". The second was a letter on VGN stationary

> from W. B. Goldblatt, Comptroller to all VGN employees, 12/31/36, about

> "The Tax Act accompanying the Railway retirement Act of 1935 purports to

> require that there be a deducted 3-1/2% from the wages of each employee

> up to $300 per month". The third is an Interstate Commerce Commission

> application by the VGN to issue bonds dated October 14, 1948. The

> unusual item in this application is the Notorized Seal "The Virginian

> Railway Company Incorporated Virginia 1904".

>

> The Jewel from the Past is like one in my cousin Gary Wood's 1951 Elgin

> Raymond 21 jewel, 24K case, given to him in 1973 by his Dad, Wilburn

> Wood, N&W carman, from June 24, 2004: "'Slick' Inge described a

> derailment at Lafayette that was quite unusual. The train came in two

> and a tank car actually derailed and went into the Roanoke River. When

> the crew inspected the train (that had gone into Emergency) it was dark

> and they did not see the tank car in the river. They saw no damage and

> reconnected the train, charged the air, made a brake test and proceeded

> to the Roanoke Yard. Only then, did the conductor come up one car short.

> The next day the tank car was discovered 'wild and wet'".

>

> I told the Brethren about the Roanoke Chapter NRHS sponsoring and

> helping with a bus/train trip for about 150 Thaxton Elementary School

> students on Tuesday. This trip was an award for the students reading

> progress, and allowed them to "Take a Ride on the Reading Train", the

> Amtrak from Lynchburg to Charlottesville.

>

> Also passed around were the almost two complete pages from last Sunday's

> "Roanoke Times" about the progress of work on the "lost engines of

> Roanoke" (3 former N&W 4-8-0- M2 steam locomotives that were stored at

> Virginia Scrap Iron since 1950) by Kevin Kittredge. This article also

> included ten color photos. It explained work on the 1134 being done by

> the Roanoke Chapter NRHS and Will Harris, Goshen lumber man who made all

> of the moves. This locomotive is destined for the Railroad Museum of VA

> in Portsmouth. The 1151 (Roanoke Shops built) is at the VMT where they

> will make restorations, and the 1118 is being restored by, and belongs

> to, the Roanoke Chapter NRHS. Leading the 1118 restoration, Gary Wood,

> feels that one day this one will "come alive and run on steam". The

> Brethren are excited that this much progress has been made so far and

> suggested that we recommend Kevin Kittredge for the "pullet surprise".

>

> Time to pull the pin on this one!

>

> Departing Now from V248,

>

> Skip Salmon

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> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 06:53:01 -0700 (PDT)

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> Subject: H-line designation

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> I am sorry but if the newbies are hearing on the scanner, isn't that 

> official NS lingo being used?? Being a newbie myself I would love to 

> learn.

> Mike Shockley

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> I bought a Y6b from Broadway and it has an alternate whistle which I 

> couldn't stand until I watched Sunday River's N&W Articulate video 

> again--there it was.? It is very shrill.? Any idea what it is and how it 

> was used?

> Thanks,

> Mike Shockley

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> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:16:55 -0400

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> [Apparently in 1910 neither the railroads nor the Federal Government had 

> developed effective rules which required empty cars to be returned to the 

> owning railroad.  The ICC was given this power by the Esch Car Service Act 

> of 1917.  The Car Service Division of the AAR was formed prior to WW II, 

> and it administers the rules for the ICC (now STB).  Also, when the Great 

> Lakes freeze over, the coal and ore that otherwise would move on the lakes 

> would move in railroad cars, increasing the demand for cars.]

>

> Gordon Hamilton

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> he Transportation Dept. had traveling auditors that reviewed the car

> records of foreign railroads to make sure N&W mtys weren't being 

> appropriated

> for loading.  The permit system made an improvement to car utilization. 

> Coal

> for Lamberts Point had ten free demurrage days.  Without ever being sold,

> coal would arrive Norfolk and be stored there (capacity for 22,000 plus 

> coal

> cars) until a coal order called for the class of stored coal.  Now a mine

> must have a designated ship before receiving mtys.       Harry Bundy

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