Powhatan Arrow's stops
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On the Norfolk Division the Powhatan Arrow stopped at the following
locations: Roanoke, Bedford, Appomattox, Farmville, Crewe (all trains
stopped at Crewe before continuing in either direction), Blackstone,
Petersburg, Suffolk, and Norfolk. I am not sure about Waverly, Wakefield,
and Windsor.
Bill Mason
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I seem to recall that there is a place along US 360 between Simplicity and
Meherrin where the N&W, Southern, and Virginian converged and were within
sight of each other. Could this be the stretch that is in question? You can
find it on GoogleEarth.
Greg Harrod
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Jim ?
There?s about a mile of thick, thick swamp separating the N&W line from the
VGN and SAL lines in the vicinity of Algren; there?s absolutely no way to
see the N&W from the VGN other along there.
I would be interested to know if there were any instances of N&W passenger
trains bypassing Farmville on the belt line. I believe, as you indicate,
that passenger traffic was typically routed over the old ?High Bridge?
line through Farmville, and the belt line, with its more favorable grades
was used mainly for heavier tonnage. Nevertheless, since the Powhatan
Arrow did not make any intermediate stops between Norfolk and Roanoke, I
would suppose routing it over the belt line around Farmville would not pose
a problem for passengers.
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Thank you, Jim, for setting the record straight regarding the Powhatan
Arrow's stops. I now consider myself properly informed! That's one of the
things I enjoy most about the discussions of this group.
How fortunate you were to have the opportunity to ride the N&W back and
forth during your college days. I was just an infant when N&W ceded its
remaining passenger operations to Amtrak, so I could only fantasize about
riding the N&W from Norfolk to Blacksburg when I was a student at Tech.
I'm not sure where I got the notion that the Arrow stopped only at Roanoke
between Norfolk and Cincinnati. Perhaps I was getting facts confused with
Roanoke being where the J's on point were changed out for service. There
was some really good discussion on that topic on this list a few weeks ago.
If you don't mind sharing further, what were the stops of the Powhatan Arrow
between Roanoke and Cincinnati? [Bluefield (apparently) .Williamson?
.Portsmouth?]
Thanks again,
-David Rice
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Well, no. The Powhatan Arrow stopped in Farmville (as did all other
passenger trains). I know, because I used to ride it from Bluefield when
going back to college at Hampden-Sydney. The only other possibility might
have been troop trains, as they would have no need to stop at Farmville.
However, it becomes a matter of traffic density, so they probably would have
been routed through Farmville as well.
As for intermediate stops between Norfok and Roanoke, the Powhatan Arrow
also stopped at Petersburg and Lynchburg.
Jim Nichols
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Jim -
There's about a mile of thick, thick swamp separating the N&W line from the
VGN and SAL lines in the vicinity of Algren; there's absolutely no way to
see the N&W from the VGN other along there.
I would be interested to know if there were any instances of N&W passenger
trains bypassing Farmville on the belt line. I believe, as you indicate,
that passenger traffic was typically routed over the old "High Bridge" line
through Farmville, and the belt line, with its more favorable grades was
used mainly for heavier tonnage. Nevertheless, since the Powhatan Arrow did
not make any intermediate stops between Norfolk and Roanoke, I would suppose
routing it over the belt line around Farmville would not pose a problem for
passengers.
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What was the Powhatan Arrow doing there? It ran on the old main line through
Farmville. Jim Nichols
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:20:50 -0400
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I had the good fortune as well as many good times of riding the Pocahontas
and the Powhatan Arrow round trip from Norfolk to Bluefield 1959 to 1963.
Every weekend trip was filled with High school friends, college students,
student nurses, and military, mostly Sailors and Marines. They were always a
very orderly group gathered in the club car just having fun. As I remember
the trains stopped from Roanoke to Christiansburg, Radford, Narrows, and
then to Bluefield. It was such a perfect ride, enjoying not only everyone's
company, but over time most of us became good friends. The train left
Bluefield around 5 o'clock in the afternoon and arrived in Norfolk just past
Mid night. Trains 3 & 4 were a good ride also, but 15 & 16 were the mail
trains slow and to be avoided.
Gene Arnold
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Thank you, Jim, for setting the record straight regarding the Powhatan
Arrow's stops. I now consider myself properly informed! That's one of the
things I enjoy most about the discussions of this group.
How fortunate you were to have the opportunity to ride the N&W back and
forth during your college days. I was just an infant when N&W ceded its
remaining passenger operations to Amtrak, so I could only fantasize about
riding the N&W from Norfolk to Blacksburg when I was a student at Tech.
I'm not sure where I got the notion that the Arrow stopped only at Roanoke
between Norfolk and Cincinnati. Perhaps I was getting facts confused with
Roanoke being where the J's on point were changed out for service. There
was some really good discussion on that topic on this list a few weeks ago.
If you don't mind sharing further, what were the stops of the Powhatan
Arrow between Roanoke and Cincinnati? [Bluefield (apparently) .Williamson?
.Portsmouth?]
Thanks again,
-David Rice
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Well, no. The Powhatan Arrow stopped in Farmville (as did all other
passenger trains). I know, because I used to ride it from Bluefield when
going back to college at Hampden-Sydney. The only other possibility might
have been troop trains, as they would have no need to stop at Farmville.
However, it becomes a matter of traffic density, so they probably would have
been routed through Farmville as well.
As for intermediate stops between Norfok and Roanoke, the Powhatan Arrow
also stopped at Petersburg and Lynchburg.
Jim Nichols
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Jim -
There's about a mile of thick, thick swamp separating the N&W line from
the VGN and SAL lines in the vicinity of Algren; there's absolutely no way
to see the N&W from the VGN other along there.
I would be interested to know if there were any instances of N&W passenger
trains bypassing Farmville on the belt line. I believe, as you indicate,
that passenger traffic was typically routed over the old "High Bridge" line
through Farmville, and the belt line, with its more favorable grades was
used mainly for heavier tonnage. Nevertheless, since the Powhatan Arrow did
not make any intermediate stops between Norfolk and Roanoke, I would suppose
routing it over the belt line around Farmville would not pose a problem for
passengers.
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What was the Powhatan Arrow doing there? It ran on the old main line
through Farmville. Jim Nichols
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