[VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts]"Takin' Twenty with theVirginian Brethren"

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"T' was for 'turkey' as the feedwater heater was not working on the 614
during the tests. Without the recovered energy from the feedwater heater,
the tests results were going to be disappointing as the 614T wasn't going to
perform as well as the 600 series did in their in-service lives. The 614T
was down on horsepower and had increased coal consumption in comparison to
the 'old time' Greenbriars. I always wondered how or if Rowland or
Chessie's engineers could figure out how to come up with useful data from
the testing without the feedwater heater working. An operating feedwater
heater has a lot to do with a steam locomotive's thermal efficiency.
Railroads added the feedwater heater to most of their locomotives for a
danged good reasons- lower coal consumption for the same or better
performance and faster response to the throttle.

Ed, did you ever hear of how the group worked around this issue? The
thermal cycle temperatures had to be 'off' by a bunch with the addition of
cold water into the boiler. Unless the team had a lot of old C&O test data
to make adjustments into the efficiency calculations, I can't figure out how
they would have come up with anything useful. Given that the tests were run
and the ACE 3000 project never got off the ground, maybe that is what
exactly happened.

Gary Rolih


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Sam - that was C&O #614 that Rowland had - and still has. During the tests
it was numbered 614T, the T standing for "test" and "tomorrow".

I was on its first trip out of Huntington, and wrote it up for TRAINS
magazine on assignment.


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Wasn't Ross Rowland involved in the stillborn ACE 3000 "modern" steam loco
project of the 1980's? I think it was a joint effort of the railroads,
principally Chessie, and the coal industry. I remember seeing Rowland's
ex-C&O Greenbrier #610 fitted out with instrumentation for research during
that project.

Sam Putney

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Skip Salmon

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From: "Charles E. Salmon, Jr." <gkholine at cox.net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:14 -0000
Subject: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] "Takin' Twenty with the Virginian

Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with 7 of the
Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. I told the Brethren
about having the "Friends of the VGN" patch on my jacket recognized at
the Krispy Kreme yesterday by a Mr. Ratcliff of Copper Hill, VA. He
worked for the VGN for over 40 years, talked a lot about "Slick" Inge
and promised to "Take Twenty" with us in the future. I also told them
about Donnie Bailey and Bobby Graham, Mullens VGN engineers, who
attended the "Friends of the Virginian Railway at Milepost 2008" and
also said they would like to "Take Twenty" with us.

The June issue of "Trains" magazine was passed around with little
fanfare except for the article "CSX brawl gets down and dirty" on page
10 about their board member elections.

The ebay report was given: VGN Rwy. belt buckle (I hope someone
did NOT take the face off a heartshaped lock) for $45.44; "V.Ry."
Handlan tall globe lantern for $536.99; A 1924 VGN "Science of
Locomotive Management" book for $66.40; A VGN 1956 Norfolk Division
Timetable #23 for $57.89 and a 1943 VGN Operating Rule book for $58.63.

I told the Brethren about Ross Rowland, Jr., of 1976 Freedom Train
fame, visiting the work session last week at the Archives of the N&W
(and VGN) Historical Society. He and his "entourage" were extremely
interested in anything the Historical Society has in their records
concerning a coal fired turbine locomotive (like "Jawn Henry"). Wonder
what they are "up to?" He did buy lunch for the group that day.

At the Archives Thursday evening "pizza and slides" session, Gordon
Hamilton shared with us slides from a trip he took in the cab of an
SD45 on an Elmore to Roanoke coal train after the merger. They showed
great shots of the train and former VGN locations such as Elmore,
Clark's Gap, Inglesides, Kumis and many more.

I showed the Brethren Landon Gregory's winning photo at the "FVR @
MP 2008". This photo has been posted on this site under "People". It
was taken by Landon's lovely wife Sondra, and shows Landon receiving
train orders "somewhere, sometime" as a Virginian Railway operator.
Can you identify one very unusual aspect of this photo??

Cornbread was exceptionally active at the session and told about
his favorite (next to Rufus Wingfield) yardmaster, Bill Whittaker,
brother of our recently departed Jimmy Whittaker. Seems that Bill
reminded him of the famous deputy of Sheriff Andy Taylor, Barney Fife.
Cornbread said that Bill had the same swagger and aloofness of the
famous TV character. Seems that Bill, as yardmaster, had little
patience for one of his conductors, a fellow named Flannigan, who was
extremely "long in the tooth" when reporting derailments and such.
Once after a chiding for being long winded, the conductor gave this
account of a derailment in the yard: "Off again, On again, Gone again,

I think I will pull the pin on this one.

Departing Now,

Skip Salmon



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