N&W in 1904 -- Detroit Southern

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In addition to coal, the N&W haded off a substantial amount of coke
traffic to the DT&I and eventually Grand Trunk at Waverly. Most of
this coke came from the New Boston coke plant on the N&W which, at one
time, was a Ford subsidiary.

Eric at CG Tower
www.cg-tower.com



On Nov 28, 2007 4:28 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

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> Yes, Sam, the Detroit Southern was formed from the Detroit & Lima and the

> Ohio Southern and after this receivership, the line became the Detroit

> Toledo & Ironton.

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> Note that Samuel Hunt was the general manager of the Ohio & Northwestern/

> Cincinnati, Portsmouth & Virginia when the N&W purchased the line in 1901.

> SO, he had a track record with the N&W.

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> The DT&I route for coal to the Great Lakes was always questionable as Summit

> Hill was a real challenge for railroading up to the point that the DT&I

> ceased to run trains over it.  Virtually every train over the summit needed

> to be doubled.  The DT&I did move a lot of N&W coal over it from the

> interchange at Glen Jean.  ( Summit Hill is directly west of Waverly, Ohio

> and Glen Jean.)

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> Gary Rolih

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> I'm curious about this railroad.  Where did it run and what became of it?

> Was it bought and absorbed by another road?  Or did it come out of

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> I'm sure the rumored sale to N&W didn't go through because N&W didn't get

> its lake outlet until it bought the Sandusky Line from Pennsy.  And C&O got

> its lake access by buying the Hocking Valley, although for years it had that

> big gap between the Ohio River and Columbus.

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> Might it have formed the start of Henry Ford's DT&I?  But I think he built

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> Subject: N&W in 1904 -- Detroit Southern

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> NORFOLK & WESTERN MAY GET DETROIT SOUTHERN

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> Favorable Opportunity to Secure Direct Outlet to the Lakes

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>     As a result of the financial troubles which have thrown the Detroit

> Southern into the hands of receivers appointed by the courts, there is now a

> strong probability that the Norfolk and Western will acquire the road and

> use it as the basis of a line by which it may secure a direct route to the

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>     The Norfolk and Western, as is well known in railway circles has for

> some time wanted a direct line to the lakes and leading railroad men now

> believe that the present difficulty of the Detroit Southern will furnish

> just the opportunity the management of the former road is seeking.

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>     Secret and [blurred] action was taken Wednesday in the United States

> court at Ironton, Ohio, regarding the Detroit Southern railroad.

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>     Upon the petition of bondholders and after a hearing in chambers Judge

> Thompson decided to throw the company into a receivership.

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>     Samuel Hunt, president of the road, was selected by the court as

> receiver, Judge Doyle, of Toledo, appeared, as counsel for the railroad

> company, while Judge Judson Harmon was the legal representative of the

> trustees for the bondholders.  The financial condition of the company was

> set forth as agreed upon by counsel, and Judge Thompson promptly granted the

> application for a receiver so far as concerns the railroad property in Ohio,

> naming Mr. Hunt, who was acceptable to both sides, to take charge of

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>     The proceedings were surrounded with secrecy, as it was necessary to

> take similar action to cover the company's property in Michigan.  This will

> be done at Detroit, when a like application will be made in the federal

> court of that district.   No doubt it will be granted.  Mr. Hunt will also

> be appointed receiver by the district Judge at Detroit.

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>     There have been rumors for some time regarding the financial condition

> of the Detroit Southern.  It was the understanding that the company was

> barely keeping its head above the water.  The startling action of Wednesday

> was precipitated by the inability of the company to pay the interest on its

> bonded indebtedness, which fell due on June 1.  Efforts were made to arrange

> with the bondholders for concessions, and the withholding of extreme

> measures on the default, so that the road could continue in operation under

> the present management, and possibly straighten out its financial tangle in

> time.  Some of the bondholders were willing to accede to the request and

> hold action in abeyance, but others declined to agree to any concessions

> whatever.  Most of the bonds are held in New York and under a trust.

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

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> July 10, 1904

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> [This is further proof that a newspaper reporter's speculation should not be

> taken as the historical outcome.]

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> Gordon Hamilton

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