Bowser announcement

Thu Oct 23 18:34:18 EDT 2025

 Matt
Since you have learned a lot about diesels recently, does that mean you are changing your 1938 era to 1978?Inquiring minds would like to know!
Jim KehnNWHS #100 
    On Thursday, October 23, 2025 at 04:56:51 PM EDT, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:   

 Today this photo popped up on the Fallen Flags Facebook group, and I thought of this discussion- especially since it includes 1013 (I learned a lot about diesels in the last ten days!)
Matt GoodmanColumbus, Ohio

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On Oct 21, 2025, at 8:08 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Chris,
Yes........it was very common for the N&W and NW paint schemes to peel or flake off NKP and WAB units exposing a lot of the NKP or WAB original paint.  Proper prepping might make a new coat of paint adhere better and last longer!!!!!!!!  It made for some rough looking units and didn't help N&W's public image much either!!!!!!  
Ed Painter - from Narrows, VA  having once lived in NE Ohio for 9 years in the 70's. 
On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 7:02 AM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

All,

This discussion brings back a lot of memories for me growing up along the N&W and seeing a mixture of blue and black paint in locomotive consists.  It was a stark contrast to the mostly homogeneous black and white NS consists of today with the exception of an occasional heritage engine.  

One of the most memorable sightings that I experienced occurred on my way to school one morning in third grade.  My mother was driving me to school and we had to wait on an EB at the west road crossing in Davy.  One of the trailing locomotives in the consist was ex-NKP C420 2578. 

 The engine was painted in the 1971 black and white scheme, but it had an oddity.  The large white “NW” on the side of the long hood was completely gone.  What was visible in place of the missing herald and its surrounding paint were the words “Plate Road”.   “Plate Road” no longer appeared yellow; it looked white, but the font was undeniable.  I wish I could’ve gotten a pic but this was 3 or 4 years b.c. for me (before camera).  Thanks to all for an awesome discussion.

Thank Ya’n Out,
Chris Dalton 
Bluefield, WV 
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> On Oct 20, 2025, at 6:10 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> Ed had some technical issues with getting the photos to the list, so I took care of it for him.
> 
> We also discussed the 1013 in blue, as it seems to be the only one that was repainted from black, and the only thing we can guess is it was involved in some sort of accident, and repainted after repairs.
> 
> Best
> Ken Miller
> <NW 1013 C425 6-74.jpg>
> <NW 1013 C425 Roanoke VA 4-14-84.jpg>
> <NW 1013 C425 2-74.jpg>
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2025, at 11:34 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> 
>> My last note had 2 pictures of 1013 attached.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 11:32 PM Edwin Painter <edwinpainter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've got shots of all the low hood exWabash C425's.  I've got shots of 1011 through 1016.  These units are all black with written out N&W and 1/2 moon herolds in yellow.  As for 1013 I have one shot that shows it in what appears to be faded blue but other shots that clearly appear to show it in black??????
>> 
>> Ed Painter
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 9:16 PM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> Brent,
>> I have a photo of the 1013 on the dead line adjacent to Shenandoah Avenue in Roanoke in August 1981.  It looks to be badly faded Pevler Blue with a large swath of rust along the mid section of the engineers side long hood.  I’d be surprised if it ever received any additional paint before it was sold.  In the prior summer of 1980,  I got a shot of the 1007 in the same vicinity.  It was wearing a somewhat uncouth hybrid paint scheme.  The paint was weathered black with a dulux gold half moon herald and road number on the cab side yet the engineers side long hood was adorned with the Fishwick era large white “NW”.  I don’t ever recall seeing another paint job quite like it!
>> Cheers,
>> Chris Dalton
>> Bluefield, WV
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2025, at 7:00 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll look through my pictures of C425s after I get home later this afternoon.  I don’t recall any C425’s in that scheme.  C420s 413 and 417 both had the large N&W scheme.
>>> 
>>> Ed Painter, Narrows, VA
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 5:11 PM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks Ken, that definitely answered my question.  I had remembered seeing one of the C420 units in the "n & w" black livery and just wondered if any of the C425's might have also gotten it.
>>> 
>>> Brent
>>> 
>>> Dr. J. Brent Greer
>>> From: NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2025 4:20:40 PM
>>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Bowser announcement   Brent
>>> 
>>> The Archives does not have a huge selection of photos of and C425, but the 1013 in the large “N&W” scheme does not seem likely, as this photo from the Archives:
>>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nwhs.org%2Farchivesdb%2Fdetail.php%3FID%3D164156&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cb40e6c2263ce4ecc397a08de0f4d07d5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638965020673440661%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LhOjc7tlnWXKnqZochVJb7Jb906cuzw9dMpsCtcUEeY%3D&reserved=0
>>> 
>>> Depicts it stored in 1984 in very faded blue, and it was sold that year.
>>> 
>>> Bob Bowers database on our website indicated it was stored in 2019 awaiting wheel work. The only thing I can find is a photo of it stored at Gowand, NY taken in July, that shows it continuing to deteriorate with lots of rusty paint. If it needs wheel work, it likely may not be able to move or interchange without that work being done.
>>> 
>>> Seems a shame to see it rotting into the ground, but likely the cost of moving it prohibits much museum opportunity.
>>> 
>>> So it could be offered in original black, and the blue and gold schemes.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> Ken Miller
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2025, at 1:42 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Since #1013 lasted the longest on the N&W roster, as well as still out there operating somewhere, I would think that would be the logical choice.  I will commit to purchasing a #1013 through the Society if offered, with the proviso that it would have to be in the as delivered scheme (black with the hamburger style heralds)
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know if this unit might have ever received the short-lived Black with "n & w" scheme?  I've seen photos of it in Blue and looking in dire need of a repaint.  Just wondering if it got it or not.
>>>> 
>>>> Brent
>>>> 
>>>> Dr. J. Brent GreerFrom: NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2025 8:46 AM
>>>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Bowser announcement
>>>> James,
>>>> Thanks for your reply and clearing up the numbering that I had mis-read.  So it looks like we could ask Bowser to do an odd number for us if enough folks were interested in buying one.  Give me a show of hands if you would purchase one from the Society in a unique number.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jim Cochran
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 7:50 AM NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>> Bowser is offering four numbers: 1008, 1010, 1014, 1016.
>>>> Numbers are the same for DCC ready and with DCC Sound.
>>>> I modeled 1013 since it was the last retired and remained on the roster the longest.
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure on the EL units matching the ex-Wabash units.  Appears the EL units have dynamic brakes where the Wabash units did not.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2025, at 05:55, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK,
>>>>> I have done a little more looking and it appears that Bowser is offering all 10 HH models already.  However, the LH photos from their ad show EL units that seem to match up well with my photo of N&W 1003.  Please let me know if this is correct.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> James Wall
>>>> Rural Hall, NC
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