Bowser announcement

Tue Oct 21 14:23:03 EDT 2025

Chris,

Yes........it was very common for the N&W and NW paint schemes to peel or
flake off NKP and WAB units exposing a lot of the NKP or WAB original
paint.  Proper prepping might make a new coat of paint adhere better and
last longer!!!!!!!!  It made for some rough looking units and didn't help
N&W's public image much either!!!!!!

Ed Painter - from Narrows, VA  having once lived in NE Ohio for 9 years in
the 70's.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 7:02 AM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> This discussion brings back a lot of memories for me growing up along the
> N&W and seeing a mixture of blue and black paint in locomotive consists.
> It was a stark contrast to the mostly homogeneous black and white NS
> consists of today with the exception of an occasional heritage engine.
>
> One of the most memorable sightings that I experienced occurred on my way
> to school one morning in third grade.  My mother was driving me to school
> and we had to wait on an EB at the west road crossing in Davy.  One of the
> trailing locomotives in the consist was ex-NKP C420 2578.
>
>  The engine was painted in the 1971 black and white scheme, but it had an
> oddity.  The large white “NW” on the side of the long hood was completely
> gone.  What was visible in place of the missing herald and its surrounding
> paint were the words “Plate Road”.   “Plate Road” no longer appeared
> yellow; it looked white, but the font was undeniable.  I wish I could’ve
> gotten a pic but this was 3 or 4 years b.c. for me (before camera).  Thanks
> to all for an awesome discussion.
>
> Thank Ya’n Out,
> Chris Dalton
> Bluefield, WV
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 20, 2025, at 6:10 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ed had some technical issues with getting the photos to the list, so I
> took care of it for him.
> >
> > We also discussed the 1013 in blue, as it seems to be the only one that
> was repainted from black, and the only thing we can guess is it was
> involved in some sort of accident, and repainted after repairs.
> >
> > Best
> > Ken Miller
> > <NW 1013 C425 6-74.jpg>
> > <NW 1013 C425 Roanoke VA 4-14-84.jpg>
> > <NW 1013 C425 2-74.jpg>
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 19, 2025, at 11:34 PM, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> My last note had 2 pictures of 1013 attached.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 11:32 PM Edwin Painter <edwinpainter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I've got shots of all the low hood exWabash C425's.  I've got shots of
> 1011 through 1016.  These units are all black with written out N&W and 1/2
> moon herolds in yellow.  As for 1013 I have one shot that shows it in what
> appears to be faded blue but other shots that clearly appear to show it in
> black??????
> >>
> >> Ed Painter
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 9:16 PM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >> Brent,
> >> I have a photo of the 1013 on the dead line adjacent to Shenandoah
> Avenue in Roanoke in August 1981.  It looks to be badly faded Pevler Blue
> with a large swath of rust along the mid section of the engineers side long
> hood.  I’d be surprised if it ever received any additional paint before it
> was sold.  In the prior summer of 1980,  I got a shot of the 1007 in the
> same vicinity.  It was wearing a somewhat uncouth hybrid paint scheme.  The
> paint was weathered black with a dulux gold half moon herald and road
> number on the cab side yet the engineers side long hood was adorned with
> the Fishwick era large white “NW”.  I don’t ever recall seeing another
> paint job quite like it!
> >> Cheers,
> >> Chris Dalton
> >> Bluefield, WV
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Oct 19, 2025, at 7:00 PM, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I’ll look through my pictures of C425s after I get home later this
> afternoon.  I don’t recall any C425’s in that scheme.  C420s 413 and 417
> both had the large N&W scheme.
> >>>
> >>> Ed Painter, Narrows, VA
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 5:11 PM NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>> Thanks Ken, that definitely answered my question.  I had remembered
> seeing one of the C420 units in the "n & w" black livery and just wondered
> if any of the C425's might have also gotten it.
> >>>
> >>> Brent
> >>>
> >>> Dr. J. Brent Greer
> >>> From: NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf
> of NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2025 4:20:40 PM
> >>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: Bowser announcement   Brent
> >>>
> >>> The Archives does not have a huge selection of photos of and C425, but
> the 1013 in the large “N&W” scheme does not seem likely, as this photo from
> the Archives:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nwhs.org%2Farchivesdb%2Fdetail.php%3FID%3D164156&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cb40e6c2263ce4ecc397a08de0f4d07d5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638965020673440661%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LhOjc7tlnWXKnqZochVJb7Jb906cuzw9dMpsCtcUEeY%3D&reserved=0
> >>>
> >>> Depicts it stored in 1984 in very faded blue, and it was sold that
> year.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Bowers database on our website indicated it was stored in 2019
> awaiting wheel work. The only thing I can find is a photo of it stored at
> Gowand, NY taken in July, that shows it continuing to deteriorate with lots
> of rusty paint. If it needs wheel work, it likely may not be able to move
> or interchange without that work being done.
> >>>
> >>> Seems a shame to see it rotting into the ground, but likely the cost
> of moving it prohibits much museum opportunity.
> >>>
> >>> So it could be offered in original black, and the blue and gold
> schemes.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>> Ken Miller
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 19, 2025, at 1:42 PM, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Since #1013 lasted the longest on the N&W roster, as well as still
> out there operating somewhere, I would think that would be the logical
> choice.  I will commit to purchasing a #1013 through the Society if
> offered, with the proviso that it would have to be in the as delivered
> scheme (black with the hamburger style heralds)
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone know if this unit might have ever received the
> short-lived Black with "n & w" scheme?  I've seen photos of it in Blue and
> looking in dire need of a repaint.  Just wondering if it got it or not.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brent
> >>>>
> >>>> Dr. J. Brent GreerFrom: NW-Modeling-List <
> nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2025 8:46 AM
> >>>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: Bowser announcement
> >>>> James,
> >>>> Thanks for your reply and clearing up the numbering that I had
> mis-read.  So it looks like we could ask Bowser to do an odd number for us
> if enough folks were interested in buying one.  Give me a show of hands if
> you would purchase one from the Society in a unique number.
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Jim Cochran
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2025 at 7:50 AM NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>>> Bowser is offering four numbers: 1008, 1010, 1014, 1016.
> >>>> Numbers are the same for DCC ready and with DCC Sound.
> >>>> I modeled 1013 since it was the last retired and remained on the
> roster the longest.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure on the EL units matching the ex-Wabash units.  Appears the
> EL units have dynamic brakes where the Wabash units did not.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 18, 2025, at 05:55, NW Modeling List <
> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> OK,
> >>>>> I have done a little more looking and it appears that Bowser is
> offering all 10 HH models already.  However, the LH photos from their ad
> show EL units that seem to match up well with my photo of N&W 1003.  Please
> let me know if this is correct.
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> James Wall
> >>>> Rural Hall, NC
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