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Sat Sep 7 16:59:16 EDT 2024

Kind of response I expected that has not idea of the quality and craftmanship that is being delivered today in HO. I don't believe having tricolor class lights, ground lights, rotating wheel bearing and road specific details per locomotive number that are now a higher standard than brass ever was as "whizz-bang gee gaws. " Older brass was known for having poor soldering such as the PSC O N&W class A, take my word from someone who has sold brass for over 30+years. I have every N&W and VGN brass models in HO, O, and 1/32 scale ever produced and some that modelers don't even know about in both scales such as a Key O scale N&W E6 Factory painted in the ACL colors with the silver Norfolk &Western lettering. 
Yes, HO has a bigger following and they demand better models. The Max Gray and USH model are now considered below standard to what can be accomplished in manufacturing today. O scale may have less of a following, but O scalers do not care or demand BETTER - ACCURATE models. "MOST" are modelers who have always settled for less!!!! 
Just what some O scalers have conveyed to me over the years selling brass. 

Stephen Rineair 

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Stephen 

The O scale 2 -rail market will always be far smaller than HO or O gauge 3-rail. I don't see that changing. If you enjoy all those whizz- bang gee gaws in HO that's fine. With the mass of O scale, I prefer the more robust models formerly made by Max Gray and USH. Don't need fine detail that falls off when you look at it. 
Bottom line is we O scalers are having fun! It's those 3-railers that really have fun! They run trains and don't care about oversize class lights. 

Jim Kehn 

On Saturday, September 7, 2024 at 01:11:31 PM EDT, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote: 

The problem with O scalers is that they are all over the place with most not willing to pay for high quality products. You get what you are willing to pay for like Atlas China drives, less lighting features, and less road specific details like Sunset 3rd rail oversize class light with only white - not tricolor lights, wrong paint colors in locomotives or compromised or omitted road specific details and ex MTH inaccurate models. Because O scalers settle for less, our models are not the high standards of what is offered in HO. All I hear from O scalers is "I am not paying this," "I don't care if the model is accurate as long it looks good from 10 feet away," "I am Happy with the 3rail mentality." Therefore, O scale will never have mass produced models of the high quality of HO. The aftermarket decals by Microscale Decals are mostly gone, as are the detail parts. Yes, you can 3D print if you pay someone or learn to do it yourself if you're not too old. Yes, O scale is thriving, but at a subpar level to other scales. Just what I am observing, and O scale will always be the scale of "do it yourself or do without." 
Stephen Rineair 

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Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2024 11:20:44 AM 
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I'm much closer to Brian's line of thinking, However. Some of the newest scale models are so detailed they can almost not be handled. But what do I know, I am turning into "old man yells at clouds." The Proto 2000 GP9's were nearly the perfect blend of good looks and superb running for my tastes. The only thing missing from them is today's electronics. I am really impressed with the new Blunami stuff. I hope the entire industry moves in that direction. 
Mike Rector 

On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 7:55 AM NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List < [ mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org | nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org ] > wrote: 

I'm a mix of both but am at a point where I would prefer "contest" level quality when possible, especially if I'm purchasing something that's read-to-run. I think as a hobby we've moved past the Athearn blue box kit with 173 different available road names. 

Which I understand there are concessions to be made, and in the end the goal for the society is to make money, but if we're offering a model I think there's an assumption that the model is fairly accurate. We are a historical society after all. 

Brian Dembinski 
Amherst, OH 
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