H9 - H10 market potential

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Brent . there would be practically no cost difference between hoppers with
or without grabs, just the price of the grabs.  The primary reason for
offering without grabs is to speed assembly.


Not sure of "critical mass" sales number but, generally, it's around 100.


Jim King

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Hi Jim,


As I get older and my vision declines, I am forced to admit that cast on
grabs on black hopper cars are not that huge of a drawback to me anymore.
That said, adding wire grabs to models is not that difficult and unless
there was a SUBSTANTIAL price difference between the kits with cast grabs
and those without, my preference is still to not have cast on grab irons.


I would very much like to see the H9 produced and would certainly support
the project.  HOWEVER, I would much prefer to see the H10 produced, and I
know that I would be willing to commit to purchasing a decent number of them
for my own use.


What sort of numbers of kits would you need to produce (read sell) in order
for this to be a project for you to consider?





Dr. J. Brent Greer



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I've possessed a full set of H9 and H10 drawings for many years with the
goal of creating models for, at least, the H9.  Given that the H9 has only
been produced in HO as an Overland import many years ago and over 22,000
were built in Roanoke, this is a car that should be produced.  I don't think
the H10 has ever been produced.  I guess the HL that's been
produced-to-death dating back to days of "a box of sticks" (Ambroid) and,
most recently, made by MTH, suffices for most folks.  Not me.  I model
1957-63 and the HLs were gone by 1956-57, having given their lives to the H9


Since the H9 is a fleet car, having more than one on a layout is logical.
However, it appears the only way this car will be made is in resin and that
doesn't cater to the "fleet mentality" (if you want a large fleet).  About 2
years ago, Frank Hodina produced an IC 2-bay hopper in 2 versions:  with and
without cast-on grabs.  His reasoning was, in a fleet, the cast on grabs
were small enough to be acceptable, even on a brown car, and the amount of
labor saved justified buying a few.  He quickly sold out of both versions
and recently made another batch but I don't know in which option.


What is your "take" on the H9 (and H10 shares the same consideration) re: a
resin kit with/w-o separate grabs?  Resin kits are not cheap to manufacture
and these cars are no different.  The price can be reduced a few $$ by
omitting trucks and couplers but the basic kit, which requires patterns,
rubber molds and labor, is the greater portion of any kit.  Decals are a
must-have for my kits.  Is there a sufficient market to justify the effort
to see either kit become a reality or is the HL "good enough" for a 2-bay
hopper and the BLI H-2a for the H10?


Jim King



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