VGN 4-6-2/was Model Railroader Article

Mon Mar 9 21:37:56 EDT 2020

I, too, am sorry Division Point cancelled the VGN PA and cars. I talked to them and when they told me the PA was to be in the $1,700 range and the cars so high I changed my mind. I was also very disappointed when they refused to sell them as undecorated items too. As a custom painter I prefer painting my own stuff. After seeing their $495 N&W passenger cars that were incorrectly striped and all I knew I could do better.
I have a LOT of brass and not squeamish about spending big bucks for equipment but I really have to draw the line at $1,700 for a Pacific. I'm afraid the several folks who feel brass is "fine art" have created an issue for those of us who like to own nice quality stuff and operate.
Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works 

    On Monday, March 9, 2020, 08:00:48 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  

 Clive: Completely missed that you were on the other side of the world.
Yes, getting to the convention would be somewhat difficult, especially
the way travel is going this month.  And from what I hear, between
exchange rates and import duties, you probably don't want to hear us
complain about prices.

I'll be happy to post a summary of the discussion on Virginian motive power.

And, granted it's nowhere near as close as it seems to us from Ohio,
but one of the more active members on the Virginian Groups IO list is
Doug Harris, who is in New Zealand.

Please consider joining the Virginian Railway Enthusiasts on Groups
IO, if you're not already on it.

Frank Bongiovanni

On 3/9/20, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> Hi Frank -
>
> Yes - I was one who made a reservation for the DP PA 4-6-2 but I honestly
> don't know about the issue of the minimum number of reservations required by
> DP - you may well be correct there and your indications on price I think is
> pretty much on the mark, for it was a relatively pricey locomotive by
> comparison for its day, but then look at some of the prices that are being
> asked for new models today! It will be interesting to see what the D&RGW
> P-77, along with the passenger cars is priced at should it proceed - it
> ought to provide us with a helpful indicator for an updated VGN PA/passenger
> car pricing. I just wonder whether the OMI MB 2-8-2 had an impact on the
> proposed DP PA (apart from the lack of reservations) because a few of them
> appeared to sit around for quite a while on shelves before finally
> disappearing - try to locate one now at a reasonable price!
>
> I even drew the proposed PA run to the attn. of the N&W/VGN modellers group
> at that time - but it didn't even raise one comment back - so that didn't
> bide well for interest in that model.
>
> Meanwhile, I along with others continue the 'hunt' for a model for which we
> can convert into an acceptable PA unless one miraculously appears out of the
> blue - but then don't wake me up from my daydream please.
>
> Don't see me getting across to the convention this year, the Aussie dollar
> has tanked in the last few months to where it now costs us a premium of
> 60pct to buy the equivalent in USD so even model purchases have now to be
> approached with caution and in my case 'budget planning'.
>
> I would love to be at the Virginian Interest Group meeting to partake in the
> possible discussion of Virginian motive power but as I said earlier that
> won't happen, so is there a possibility that a brief report could be
> included in 'The Arrow' - I believe this would be of much interest to others
> who cannot make the convention?
>
> Clive.
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
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> Of NW Modeling List
> Sent: Monday, 9 March 2020 12:51 PM
> To: NW Modeling List
> Subject: Re: Model Railroader Article
>
> Clive, if you made reservations for the DP PA (the VGN 4-6-2; not the
> Alco passenger diesel), please confirm or contradict my recollections.
> DP wanted something like 30 reservations, and the expected price was
> in the ball park of $1,700.  ???  I must confess that, given all the
> givens, I don't think that there were 30 of us who were about to pay
> $1,700 for a Pacific 10 years ago.  And my decreasing memory says that
> the three car passenger set would have come in at around $900.
>
> And, yes, over the last 40 years we have been blessed with a
> surprising abundance of VGN motive power.  If memory serves when I got
> back in the hobby in 1969 there was not one correct Virginian steam
> nor electric locomotive.
>
> There is a possibility that review and discussion of Virginian
> locomotives might occur at the Virginian Interest Group meeting at the
> convention in June.
>
> Frank Bongiovanni
>
> On 3/8/20, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>> Jim –
>>
>>
>>
>> There was an importer who expressed interest in producing such a HO model
>> in
>> two or so varieties a few years ago, that being Division Point, but as I
>> understand it their plans lapsed because of an ‘apparent’ lack of interest
>> and subsequent reservations received from the modellers/collectors at the
>> time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes – it is definitely a shame that this model wasn’t proceeded with,
>> along
>> with the proposed passenger cars, but one cannot blame an importer for not
>> pursuing a model for reasons of a perceived ‘lack of interest’, although
>> the
>> thought of a complete train coming in all at once may have deterred some.
>> We
>> only have ourselves to blame unfortunately!
>>
>>
>>
>> It is my opinion but I doubt that we’ll ever see a commercially produced
>> model released onto the market which I believe has a few of the ‘diehard’
>> VGN steam era modellers, including myself who made reservations somewhat
>> disappointed and frustrated. Our only consolation is that we have a very
>> comprehensive roster of most of the VGN motive power, admittedly some of
>> it
>> very pricey by yesterday’s standards, to enjoy or collect as we see fit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Clive Riley.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NW-Modeling-List [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List
>> Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2020 11:27 PM
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>> Cc: NW Modeling List
>> Subject: Re: Model Railroader Article
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you. It's a shame no importer has ever done those before. They were
>> a
>> handsome engine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Kehn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Sent: Fri, Mar 6, 2020 9:30 pm
>> Subject: Re: Model Railroader Article
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>>
>>
>> I did that loco several years ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy.  It is a
>> brass import with a Sam mechanism and can motor.  I made some mods to both
>> the loco and the tender to try to get a bit closer to the prototype.  I
>> think I may still have the box in the attic and when I get chance, I’ll
>> see
>> if I can find the specific importer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2020, at 5:44 PM, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List
>> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> Where did you get that Virginian 4-6-2 pictured? I'm sure there are some
>> VGN
>> crazies out there wondering.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Kehn
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Sent: Fri, Mar 6, 2020 12:48 pm
>> Subject: Re: Model Railroader Article
>>
>> Thanks Paul, glad you enjoyed it.  The layout will be on tour during this
>> summer’s NMRA convention here in St. Louis and I’ll also be giving some
>> clinics during the week.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2020, at 5:35 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> In the April issue of Model Railroader magazine there is a very nice
>> article
>> about Gary Hoover’s  excellent HO scale layout based on the N&W and the
>> Virginian in the 1954 through 1957 time period.  In addition to
>> replicating
>> certain locations on the N&W in Virginia and West Virginia, Gary also
>> recreated several scenes made famous by Winston Link’s photos.  The N&WHS
>> makes several cameo appearances in the article as Gary mentions that he
>> bought several station kits from the Society, and he references the
>> Society’s online archives.
>>
>>
>>
>> Great modeling Gary-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Mandelkern
>>
>> Winter Park, Florida
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