The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)

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Dr. Geer,

I will be working on a complete list of items I have for sale after the Winston Salem RPM meet.  I have several N&W models to include.

> On Oct 30, 2019, at 11:22 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> James, please submit your item for sale to the NW sales list so it can be posted to that group !
> 
> Brent
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> Dr. J. Brent Greer
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> Subject: Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)
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> When I did my online build of the Southern ALCO PA’s, I had the intention of doing the Tennessean.  I have a kit from NKP Car Co. that is a plan match for the Villa cars.  The kit is listed under Pullman cars on the NKP website.  I have changed modeling focus and have this kit for sale.  
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> James Wall
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>> On Oct 27, 2019, at 10:17 PM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
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>> The original Tennessean Pullman was a Villa series 10 section 3 double bedroom (rebuild) car. Originally it was painted silver but not shadowlined. I understand that the Villa series cars were shadowlined after WWII along with a couple of 12-1 cars which ran to Nashville on the NC&StL. I have seen only one picture of the Villa series car and it was featured in my column in the Arrow several years ago (I'll look up the date of the issue.)
>> RMC published plans of the Villa series cars several years back, and I have a copy somewhere which I used to kitbash the car a couple of times from Rivarossi 12-1 cars. I'll try to find appropriate dates later.
>> 
>> Jim Nichols
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>> On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 05:59:18 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
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>> Does anyone have any reasonably close up photos of the Pullmans used on the Tennessean?  I've been told they were painted with shadow lines to mimic the lightweight cars, but I've not seen a good enough photo to really model one.
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>> Thanks,
>> Brent
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>> Subject: Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)
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>> The Tennessean had a square end observation car with twin tail signs (drumheads), and it did come through Roanoke. Unfortunately, it was not the last car on the train. One, and later two Pullmans ran behind it. The original plan was for it to be the tail car from Washington to Bristol, but early on they started running the Pullman straight through to Washington, so the tailsign was not on the train end. I did not consider this to be an N&W train. The original consist was all Southern.
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>> Jim Nichols
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>> On Thursday, October 24, 2019, 05:28:12 PM CDT, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
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>> To follow my comments and Jim’s below.
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>> I’ve seen photos with the Memphis Special (predecessor to the Tennessean) with a tail sign (drumheads, by nature are round) that was a box shape, and the Tennessean had some round end cars with a tail sign (I believe) but they did not come through Roanoke to my knowledge. the last Pocahontas out of Roanoke carried a painted wooden sign on the platform car, and as mentioned, the Arrow had built in tail signs on the round-end cars.
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>> I have seen a purported tail sign for the Pocahontas for sale some years back, but honestly believe it was a railfan fantasy item, not an authentic piece.
>> 
>> Ken Miller
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>> On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:49 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org><mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>>> wrote:
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>> The only drumhead I ever saw on an N&W train was on the 1949 Powhatan Arrow.
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>> Jim Nichols
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>> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 05:36:36 AM CDT, NW Modeling List via NW-Modeling-List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org><mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>>> wrote:
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>> I'm trying to model N&W's passenger train, The Cavalier.  In real life, it always ran a poor third compared to The Powhatan Arrow and The Pocahontas.  I guess that's why it interests me so much.  But information about it is very hard to come by.
>> 
>> I've found a company (Tomar Industries) on-line that makes Drumheads (or rear passenger car tail logos) of passenger trains.  The rear tail sign for The Cavalier that they offer is so unbelievably crude and childish that I can't believe it was actually used on an N&W passenger train.  I've attached a copy of the logo that they offer for everyone to inspect.
>> 
>> I have two questions that I need answers to: Is the Cavalier drumhead offered by Tomar Industries the actual logo that N&W used?  And, if not, what did the real Cavalier drumhead look like?
>> 
>> Bill King
>> Arlington, Virginia
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