new subject Re: The Cavalier Drumhead (Rear Tail Sign)

Sun Oct 27 21:32:21 EDT 2019

Thank you for your response and knowledge.  I will try a couple of 
'bashes in the near future.

On 10/27/2019 5:32 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
> Walter:  If you have the IHC baggage-mail, it is almost a "ringer" for 
> the  N&W BMf (1200-1221 series) A few detail changes, mainly to the 
> roof and underbody boxes, would make it an even better match. The IHC 
> observation appears to be a model of a Pullman room and observation 
> car. You would need several window changes to do any of the N&W cars, 
> but this is probably the best observation available as a starting point.
> The Claytor Lake (500) or the Lafayette (700) probably would be the 
> easiest to kitbash. In addition to the window work, you would need to 
> put a roof bubble on one side of the 700 and on both sides of the 500. 
> All the original N&W business cars were extensively rebuilt in the mid 
> 1950's, but prior to that time they looked similar to the 500 and the 
> 700. Any of them would need window work and roof bubbles. See if you 
> can find photos. The N&WHS archives is a good place to look.
>
> The IHC 12-1 Pullman could be painted as several N&W Pullmans 
> (Cuttyhunk, Galax, Lowry, Sunstar Rose, Vulcan).. None of the other 
> IHC cars comes close enough to justify a kitbash, although the baggage 
> car might be passed off as a BEn (1346-1350 series).
>
> Changing windows takes careful work. I have gotten pretty good at it. 
> Basically, You cut windows from your donor body (cut oversize and sand 
> or file to the finished size), cut and file out the place you want to 
> graft it, fit in place and apply liquid plastic cement by capillary 
> action.The panels between windows may be cut from the donor body the 
> same way, or can be made of sheet styrene. If you do the 500 or the 
> 700, you wouldn't need to sacrifice a donor body, as the windows on 
> these two cars were the more modern sealed window sashes. Graft in 
> sheet styrene and cut out new window openings. The 100, 101, 102, 200 
> and 300 were later rebuilt with sealed windows on welded sides; but if 
> you model them prior to rebuilding, you would use windows from a donor 
> body.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Jim Nichols
>
> On Sunday, October 27, 2019, 08:45:57 AM CDT, NW Modeling List 
> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>
> I have 2 complete sets of 8 heavyweight IHC cars. Which car should I 
> try to model with the 2 observation cars?  Are there other cars that 
> could kit-bashed from the rest of the cars in the IHC sets, also?  You 
> don't see many of the N&W heavyweights modeled at all. I did pick up 
> the 3 Virginian paired window coach models from Atlas that were just 
> released.  I guess they will do a quick run-through the main station 
> scene behind a Train Master just because I have them (when that area 
> of the layout is completed).  And since I have you for a couple of 
> minutes, do you or someone in the group know how close the the 
> Virginian Berkshire is to the models of the C&O or NKP on the market 
> now.  Also, I did not see any Pacifics in the Prince book, so are any 
> of the Virginian Mikados based on USRA standards?  Too many questions, 
> I know, and I apologize for taking so much of your time. Thank you for 
> the help.
>
> So much to know and so little time to learn and apply it.
>
> Walter Davis, modelling the N&W in Youngsville, NC
>
>
> On 10/25/2019 11:48 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>> N&W's heavyweight observations were business cars. At least this was 
>> true of the open platform cars. The exception was a group of 10 
>> section-lounge Pullmans which had solarium ends and ran on the 
>> Pocahontas after all the other heavyweight Pullmans had been replaced 
>> by the S1's. The business cars were eventually rebuilt with round 
>> roofs, welded sides and sealed windows. In the 1964 merger, they got 
>> the City of Lafayette from the Wabash, as well as the Claytor Lake. 
>> So far as I know, none of these have ever been offered commercially. 
>> Your starting points for kitbashing are few. The old Rivarossi/AHM 
>> obs would be my choice, since you can get them fairly cheap. The 
>> Athearn car is shorter, and the thick sides create problems with 
>> window glazing. For a few dollars more the Bachmann PRR style car 
>> might be a good choice. Finally, IHC did an open platform car with a 
>> similar construction to the AHM car, but these generally sell for a 
>> higher price. (Both are out of production) In any case, you want at 
>> least two bodies so you can use one as a source of windows.
>>
>> I have not done any of the open platform cars, but I have done the 10 
>> section solarium lounge a few times, starting with the old 
>> Rivarossi/AHM 12-1 Pullman, cutting the sides off the body, 
>> rearranging side parts and grafting windows from the donor body. I 
>> have also done one starting with the Branchline 14 section car and 
>> grafting windows from a donor body. This was more expensive, but the 
>> Branchline kit is much better detailed.Since it is a flat kit, you 
>> don't have to cut the sides off at the beginning. They are already 
>> separate. I kitbash the Branchline cars only because I have been able 
>> to buy a supply of them on ebay at low prices.
>>
>> Tell me which car you would like to model, and I will try to outline 
>> a step by step process to do it.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>>
>> On Friday, October 25, 2019, 12:23:36 PM CDT, NW Modeling List 
>> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Seeing this picture of the Memphis Special reminded me that I don't 
>> know if anyone has produced a model in HO of N&W heavyweight 
>> observations or tail end cars.  MTH has done a great job with the 
>> light weight car but I don't recall Walther's or anyone else who has 
>> produced the heavy weight car.  If not produced, has anyone kit 
>> bashed one that they could share some pictures and modeling tips with me.
>>
>> Walter Davis
>>
>> Modeling N&W in Youngsville, NC
>>
>>
>> On 10/25/2019 2:14 AM, NW Modeling List wrote:
>>> A much better, and color view is from N&WHS site
>>>
>>> https://www..nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=90149
>>>
>>> A non-N&W drumhead at Bristol
>>>
>>> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=94056
>>>
>>> Last run of Pocahontas with wooden tail sign
>>> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=64418
>>>
>>> Ken Miller
>>>
>>>> On permail/nw-modeling-list/
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