NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2

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Thu Jul 13 10:02:41 EDT 2017 

I would mention  something in N scale but that scale doesn't seem to count.

Joe Grzelak


On 7/12/2017 10:07 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
> No one has mentioned it here, but how about some HO scale steam era 
> caboose models?
>
> Chris Wrenn
>
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> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Date: 7/11/17 3:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: RE: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2
>
> Eric
>
> The extra $100K should cover an initial set of design changes, 
> packaging, shipping and marketing costs.
>
> In prior agreements where the Society has had created a custom run of 
> a specific model, let's say the RFP E's, the society agreed to 
> purchase 100 pieces of each of the two road numbers that Proto 2000 
> ran specifically for the society. P2K had already created all of the 
> tooling for the E8 and all subsequent runs of alk roadnames were gravy 
> for P2K. The Society sold each of the E8's at $100.00 ea, with a cost 
> less than that, what I don’t remember exactly, so the society was able 
> to make some money and provide goodies to the group.
>
> I do know that the Society has done several runs of various classes of 
> coal cars and paint schemes with a couple of different manufacturers 
> and they have sold well.
>
> Regards
> Russ
>
>
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Date: 7/11/17 13:08 (GMT-05:00)
> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: RE: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2
>
> Russ:
>
> Thank you for providing some hard data to think about!
>
> I’m curious about the numbers in your example.  $400 each times 1000 
> units yields revenues of $400,000, vs an investment of $300,000.  So 
> I’m guessing that the packaging and shipping costs, plus Society 
> advertising costs, plus “cost of money” would amount to $100,000—or 
> roughly $100 per unit.  Do I have that right?
>
> Is it the case that all custom product agreements entered into by the 
> Society to date have been for diesels, rolling stock, and structure kits?
>
> Did the Society have a good experience with BLI for the N&W hopper 
> cars?  …with Bowser for the VGN hopper cars?
>
> Best,
>
> Eric Bott
>
> *From:*NW-Modeling-List [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *NW Modeling List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 07:09
> *To:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2
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> -D;
>
> IF the NWHS would proceed with an agreement with BLI to produce a 
> locomotive, and in this case a Class M, the Society would pay for all 
> production costs, including over runs. The society's initial outlay 
> would be in the range of ~$300K, to start. The society would need to 
> sell atleast 1,000 pieces at $400.00 ea in order to provide a profit 
> back on the initial investment, plus cover packaging and shipping 
> costs to BLI for product inspection and then shipping to ROA for final 
> shipment to the customer. Additionally, the contact with BLI may 
> include their right to sell the model as well, under their brand name 
> after a specified period of time, whether or not the society has sold 
> their entire inventory by the end of the contract date.
>
> While I don’t know the exact particulars of what the contract would be 
> with BLI, I am guessing that the Society didn't see a true benefit in 
> executing a contract with BLI for an M Class loco.
>
> In the past, the society has been successful in having custom runs 
> produced of models that are already in production, such as the leased 
> RF&P E-8'S and the leased ACL E-7'S, both of which were run through a 
> contract with Proto 2000. Other successful projects have been 
> completed with Bowser, Stewart and Intermountain.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards
>
> Russ Goodwin
>
> Oakwood, GA
>
> Former NWHS Modelling Committee Chair
>
> Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5
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> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org 
> <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>>
> Date: 7/11/17 06:48 (GMT-05:00)
> To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org 
> <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>>
> Subject: Re: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2
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> Hi,
> Sorry if I am confused, is the reason you do not want to work with bli 
> because you need to pay for production? Could you explain what you 
> meant of it was some other business reason?  That explanation included 
> a bunch of caps lock letters which is the equivalent of yelling but 
> was short on reasons.
> -D
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017, 7:17 PM NW Modeling List 
> <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>
>     We are not going to be talking to BLI ever. With that said the
>     ones that I Dean Taylor have been talking to on my own (Alex) are
>     talking are interested with that said.THE NORFOLK AND WESTERN
>     HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS NOT GOING TO PAY FOR PRODUCTION. So it may
>     be awhile we need to so there is a market and that we have been
>     lacking in. DEAN TAYLOR at NWHS
>
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>     From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
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>     Date: 7/10/17 2:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
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>     To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>
>     Subject: Re: NW-Modeling-List Digest, Vol 170, Issue 2
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>     who are the other manufactures being prodded to do some N&W
>     engines like
>     the M etc?
>
>     I would not want to contact BLI till there's enough back support
>     froom
>     dealers, modelers, but it looks BLI is up to the task.
>
>     Usually if you can make a model, it can find a buyer eventually.
>
>     -Lynn.
>
>
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>     On 7/10/2017 1:36 AM, nw-modeling-list-request at nwhs.org
>     <mailto:nw-modeling-list-request at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>     > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:38:47 -0400
>     > From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
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>     > To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>     > Subject: Re: BLI limited exclusive run program
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>     > If they can do a Class M, then they can do a Virginian PA as
>     well. I'm good
>     >  for one of each.
>     >
>     > Greg Harrod
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>     >
>     >
>     > In a message dated 07/08/2017 5:43:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>     > nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> writes:
>     >
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > I just read in MRC that BLI is doing a program to run exclusive
>     > locomotives with groups.
>     >
>     >
>     > !?!?!? Can we do a Class M !?!?
>     >
>     >
>     > David
>     >
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